Nosediving +

  • @znzn Geeze what a pain in the ass. I just wanna have fun

  • I can't speak to all the issues here, but after getting my + today and riding it a bit I can see how experienced v1 owners could nosedive on the +. It behaves very differently due to the more powerful engine. The nose is pretty much rock solid on the + vs the v1 where it dips down when you lean forward. If you tried really hard to push the nose down to get a similar feel to the v1 I bet you'd go flying pretty fast. I know on my first couple rides I had to keep reminding myself it wasn't the same and I had to adjust my stance and aggressiveness a bit.

  • I had that battery component thing happen to me on the v1. It screwed up my shoulder for like 6weeks

  • Just thought I would add to this thread for the record. My son who has been riding V1 was on the V2, flat surface, took a nosedive, went to ER for severe scrapes and a wrist sprain. Maybe it was user error, but for a regular rider, seems odd. Will be monitoring this thread and the V2 more closely.

  • I am truly hoping if The reason that everybody's expected date of shipment just increased by a week is because they finally are admitting at least internally but there is a problem with the BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (BMS) And are doing something to rectify it before creating any more OW+s.

    Not that anyone would ever admit that
    I don't know what there's any way to upgrade firmware In the field
    I'm pretty sure the answer is no
    We will wait and see

  • @spalding12 there are firmware updates from the field

  • I got my OW+ back from FM again today. It appears that it works fine now. I rode it about 6 miles and got no Bad Gyro errors today. I actually felt nice riding it for once with no issues (initially delivery was early May 2017).

    I made such a stink about the situation they paid for overnight shipping to FM and back to me. I went through the fact that this $1600 item, we waited months for this thing due to QA, I had battery issues even with the production stoppage, and I'm still having problems after FM had my board for 4 days.

    The rep kept saying that FM has not had any issues like mine, but I had to tell her to stop saying that - cause I truly have no idea what other people are having. I didn't even get a notice from FM when my board was shipped. It just showed up today. Last week Battery control module was replaced and

    FUTURE MOTION CUSTOMER SERVICE IS TERRIBLE. The reps don't follow through with their stated actions and I got conflicting info depending who I spoke with.

    **FM email:

    I have good news. After discussing your case with our repair technician in detail we were able to confirm that your board's controller was the source of your gyro message. We have replaced the controller under warranty and it is currently undergoing extensive test riding. We were also able to confirm your milage is currently set to 90 as the component in your board was replaced. Once you pass 90 miles on your board, it will automatically update to the correct current milage.

    We should be ready to have your board ship back to you overnight by tomorrow once you confirm!

    I look forward to hearing back from you.

    Kind regards,

  • Had my first * nosedive on pavement today. Was only going 13mph so I was able to run it out. (Always ride like you are going to nose dive). Think I know what happened. I own both a plus and a v1.

    Because my wife has really taken to riding the plus I have been only riding the V1 for last 2 weeks.

    One of my favorite parts of the v1 is the ability to get speed bursts by leaning forward through push back.

    After only riding my v1 for the last 40 miles I hopped on the plus and instantly nose dived.

    All I was trying to do was lean in to get the same speed burst feeling as the v1, big mistake.

    I'm now convinced that the issue is simply how different the + rides in comparison to the v1.

    You cannot ride each board the same. They are completely different, and require different skill sets.

    Back to riding the plus and haven't nose dived yet. V1 is Kind of like riding a size 130 snowboard compared to a + which is more like a 165 snowboard.

    I still think the + is a far superior product.

  • So I finally got my replacement front footpad today in the mail (was promised I would get it last Saturday, didn't come till today, Monday), only to open the box and find out that they shipped me back the same footpad that I had sent in for replacement due to the sensor failing. It had the exact same scuff marks on the end of it. And if that wasn't bad enough, I got my ER bill today as well from my OneWheel accident (had to get several stitches), which was just over $1,000 USD after insurance. So yeah, I am just livid right now with Future Motion's customer service. I really want to like the OW+, but when you have a device that can randomly die on you for no reason, ends up costing you an extra $1K as a result, and then their customer service basically ignores the issue, it's hard to justify.

    I'll let you guys/gals know once I get a response back from FM.

    UPDATE: The customer service rep told me they only replaced the sensor and the grip tape and not the entire footpad (wooden part and the connector part) since they don't have any in stock. Only problem with that is both of the gold screw "holders" on the bottom of the board no longer grip the wooden part of the footpad and just spin in place, so there is no way for me to screw the footpad all the way back on securely -_- . I also had to bend the sensor cable pretty harshly in order to get it to fit behind the plastic shield part that guards the cables from the wheel.

    The best part of the reps response was that once they had the footpads back in stock, I could BUY one at a discount. Umm... No, that's something that should be replaced for free under warranty, not something I should have to pay to get fixed.

    So I still don't have resolution yet :/

  • My + gave me errors about my foot being off the front sensor for several minutes, which was not true. Then I started experiencing falls or had to jump off while starting and stopping because of random acceleration and inability to turn off the board. I called OW support once the board went into 15 blinks (sensor thought I was standing on the board at power on). Incidentally, I was on vacation and wanted to ride it and was able to clear the error by powering off the board and heating up the grip tape with a blow dryer. So, I think the sensor interacts with the grip tape and the heat fixed it.

    I explained the whole scenario to OW support and they immdeiatly gave me an overnight shipping label for the front board/sensor and the returned in via fedex overnight. WORKS SO MUCH BETTER NOW. It is clear that FM has some quality problems going on, but are willing to fix quickly. I too, asked for a new front board and said I was willing to pay for it, but they said they had no extra stock and could only repair mine. I got my original board back with new grip tape.

    Tip from support gal: If you are suspecting sensor errors, turn on the board and press the left side, then right side. Each time the lights will brighten and that will allow you to "know" if the sensors are both working.

  • @BrentWhitfield said in Nosediving +:

    Tip from support gal: If you are suspecting sensor errors, turn on the board and press the left side, then right side. Each time the lights will brighten and that will allow you to "know" if the sensors are both working.

    This might seem obvious, but be sure your lights are turned on first, otherwise nothing will happen.

  • First nose dive on the +
    Must've over pressed the motor and it gave way...
    Ran it out couple steps and came down crashing.
    Thankfully was able to get back on and shred.

  • @sonny123 how fast do you think you were going when it happened? Did you hit a bump/dip? Glad to hear you got back on.. I'm still recovering from a nasty nose dive crash on my V1 so I haven't taken my plus out in days.

  • @GlueBreath

    Thanks, hope you get back on soon.

    Not too fast, under 10 mph.
    I think I over accelerated a bit to let a car pass.

  • I also want to chime in on this nosediving issue. Just as a background I am a relatively new rider with not much experience previously on the one wheel although I do also happen to have a boosted board version two.

    About two months ago As I was crossing the road on the one wheel plus, it also did an unexpected nosedive that completely threw me off. I attempted to run it out but my knee buckled to me and I ended up in the ER with a busted up knee, having torn three of the four main ligaments in mind as well as my lateral meniscus.

    I am now one month following my surgery to reconstruct my ligament and repair my meniscus and as expected this is completely shaken my confidence.

    When the motor goes out, the board is no longer self balancing and will just nosedive forward where our body weight is placed bringing the board to a complete stop and sending the rider into flight.

    Having sent the board back to one wheel hq for investigation, they think it was likely user error but seeing that the road that I was travelling on the smooth without debris and the just immediately prior to this incident the motor was making weird noises and the ride Became choppy puts doubt in my mind.

    It's a pity that I had such an experience as the one wheel is tremendously exhilarating to ride.

  • @darren1414 That is a serious injury, did your knee hit the ground? Do you know if a knee guard\pads would have prevented it?

  • @JacoNZ

    My knee buckled after it was forced into hyperextension as I landed on my feet with my leg straight trying to run out the sudden stop. So I don't think knee pads would have helped in that instance.

    I do believe I should have tried to havetried to hit the ground differently with flexed knees and rolled onto the ground. In that case a helmet and knee pads would definitely have helped but I may have injured other areas. I hear of people riding being always prepared to be thrown off but that's a terrible way to ride not having full confidence in the ride.

    For now I think when and if I recover, I'll go back to the boosted board cause that won't be able to nosedive but of course there are other ways to fall from that as well.

  • A question for the long time riders, did your nosedive frequency decline with experience?

  • @JacoNZ If you start slow and wait until you really understand the way the Onewheel's balancing works, then slowly gain speed, you might never nosedive, so there's no frequency to decline.

  • After waiting five months, I finally received my OW plus, I was so happy. I rode it for almost 30 miles in the first three days. I never experienced any kick back, it accelerated great, curved good, felt stable and I was confident/felt secure riding it. Then, on the four day, I was just slowly going down a slight incline and it dumped me. I thought it was something I did, so I took a few days to heal and hopped back on it. I was going up that same hill and the nose seem to want to dip on me and I wasn't pushing it at all. I get to the flat part and it dumps me again. I wasn't hurt, so I got back on and decided to get home. On the way, I got up to about 12mph and it dumped me hard. I'm still recovering for three weeks now, I fractured my heal, bruised my ribs, sprained my pinky, and have some road rash.
    I've been in touch with tech support, they walked me through testing the sensors, the sensors were good. They asked me to try the board again, so when I felt good enough to ride it, I took it out. It didn't seem to accelerate good, felt wobbly and I couldn't get it to go faster than 11.6mph. I have previously been able to reach 17.2mph. I contact customer service again and they said they think there's a problem with my OW plus, YOU THINK? They think it's the battery modulator or something like that. They said they would send me a shipping label via email, haven't received it in five days now.
    After all these months waiting, paying that much money, defending the cost and future motion on the social medias and this is the crappy board and service I receive? Total BS!

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