Petition: bring back extreme shaping 1.0

  • I have an idea as to why the board sometimes stalls out on 2.0.

    #1 when you are riding slower, the nose is closer to the ground. This probably feels better when riding on flat or slight inclines.

    #2 the faster you go, the more the nose rides higher until eventually you get pushback.

    #3 when the board nose is close to touching down in the front, they disengage power.

    All this works great for general riding, but works against you on steep inclines. Normally on steep incline you are going slower which means nose is farther down. You lean forward to speed up but nose goes so far down the board disengages.

    This would explain why going into steep incline with speed allows you to keep going as long as you can keep the speed up. Your moving good, nose is up, which gives you room to lean forward and keep momentum.

    This morning, I road around on elevate to experiment. First off, it takes some practice to for it to feel natural which is something you need to keep pace on a challenging hill. After getting the hang of it, I rode up a long unmanicured grass trail that I've only been able to get a quarter of the way up...even in elevated mode. With the nose up and going into it with a little speed, I was able to make it all the way up because I could lean forward and get the power I needed without nose going too far down and having the motor disengage. I didn't think I was going to ever get up this hill with this model, so this was exciting.

    I then continued in elevate mode for some dirt mounds and found it also helped going through the dips. I wonder if the riders the have doing stunts at events are mostly riding in elevate.

  • So hills, I'm not the only one. I was moving up a hilled street slower than I wanted. I leaned forward with my normal I want to go faster faster lean and the board seemed to stall, dive, catch itself, accelerate hard and I barely stayed on it. A week later, different hill, similar grade, same situation. This time I did not stay on, tried to run it out, failed and got some good road rash. I've definitely gotten more cautious about my acceleration on hills now. I think you're right though @Franky in your explanation of what happens as it seemed to be what I experienced.

  • Firmware is currently a one-way irrevocable upgrade right? Crazy. I'm at 3029 but why would I ever upgrade to 3034 if I can't change it back? Especially since as far as I can tell there's no release notes about each firmware version.

    Granted some versions might need to be blacklisted for safety reasons (bugs), but everything else should just be a like a ROM you download and flash on, like when you flash a Linksys router with OpenWRT.

  • @jpsimons no reason to upgrade until we are told why. So far they have said these are all the same. I'm still on 3000 which was shipped with my board.

  • All firmwares are not the same, there is obviously a reason they release updates. With each updateI have always noticed improvements. Sometimes you notice a lot more and sometime they are more subtle. With the latest update I have noticed my breaking is much stronger and you get a much better control of the board.

    There are other reasons they would upgrade FW and we as the users would like to have our board up to date. New functionalities on the app might be added, like more ride modes or more live information about the board, etc.. Also, Future Motion has always been very focused on making the board safer and smoother so to me, not upgrading as soon as they release new FW is a not an option.

  • @Newheel I agree that updating firmware is generally a great thing.

    However, I'm specifically responding to future motions comments within the last couple of days saying there isn't new firmware in response to a post where a riders board was acting strange after upgrading firmware.

    I agree that the change in firmware numbers seems to infer that there has been changes, but if I'm understanding supports comments correctly, they are saying it is not new and any problems are not a result of firmware updates.

    If I'm wrong on this and everyone thinks there is a big reason for me to update, I will. So far nobody has stated excitement over any release past 3000.

  • Advanced mode. Give us sliders to mess with the settings?

  • --reviving this old thread in the name of liberty.


  • I've gotten used the Extreme 2.0, but I still miss 1.0. It was just so responsive, like the board was an extension of my body. No pushback at any speed. I really wish it was a separate shaping I could select.

    I think the ultimate reason that it was discontinued was legal liability due to the lack of pushback, which made it a lot easier to fall off at high speed. But I actually really resent the pushback I get at 12 mph, since it makes the 12-15 mph range a lot less fun to ride in. I'm an expert rider -- I can feel when the board is at max torque without pushback, which happens all the time going up hills. But FutureMotion doesn't trust me to ride without pushback.

    They also don't seem to read these forums, sadly :(

  • @mrb - mothership? goodluck - we are more like "lost in space" over here lol
    I am really surprised that there is not more action/involvement from FM on these forums and in general.
    All they do is post a video now and again or ask for something. Their app sucks, they should just buy @SeeTheInvisible app(or hire him) and give it away. Has to be cheaper than developing it them selves at this point.
    For a small company they seem a bit lethargic.
    @lardnicus - I really like the idea of a configurable advanced mode.

  • @wr420 said in Petition: bring back extreme shaping 1.0:

    @we are more like "lost in space" over here<

    you are right. i suspect we are all just expendable drones to Mother. i didn't get anywhere in communicating with support so i went to Gilroy.

    there are only a bunch of servers and robotic arms, mills, conveyor belts--all churning away. i saw thousands of Chinese shipping containers also, being smelted down, but felt no heat. none of the photos i took developed.

    the advanced counter-intelligence and other systems in place cannot disguise the poor job done by text and voice recognition agents however. Mother seems intelligent, but cannot yet convincingly simulate human communication.

  • after reading this discussion I feel fortunate to have older OWs that have the older software

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