I think i will just stick with classic since extreme doesnt have pushback. Or a different kind according to the manual. I just wish it would push back and have a limiter on extreme but instead its like a runaway horse carriage. Luckily no one has been in the path of the destruction. Violently hitting the pavement at 15+ mph is not fun and has a high pricetag for both body and bank account!
Franky last edited by Franky
@wheeler it's called pushback and the only way to make it stop is tilting the board back and slowing down. Earlier firmware versions had less invasive extreme mode pushback letting you go faster before accelerating to push you back. But because at higher speeds the motor is less capable of keeping you upright, they kicked pushback in around 10-12 mph for extreme.
The irony is that pushback is a safety feature but the people that have the hardest time and more spills with it are newbies. I guess the question is: what is the alternative and would even newbies be more likely to wipe out without pushback than with it? I'm guessing fm has learned that although some people wipe out from fighting pushback, many less people are wiping out from nose dive which is even more dangerous.
@Franky Yeah unfortunately, with a single-wheeled vehicle the safety options are extremely limited. All it can do is spin the wheel faster or slower. The alternative to pushback, as you said, would be to allow people to simply outrun the motor, which means self-balancing would disappear at top speed and then you have insta-nosedive.
People just need to learn to ride properly and regulate their own speed without depending on pushback so much. @TonyGDTLA and I were talking about the fact that we've both actually scraped the nose of the board on the pavement while riding several times by inadvertently putting too much pressure on the front, but when you're riding properly, all you have to do is just level the board again and keep going.
It's so much easier to avoid a wipeout when you're not off balance and leaning forward on the board. That's what gets people every time.
Aswellie last edited by
@thegreck I've done the same thing as far as scraping the nose and riding through it. Happens more often on hard turns but I have done it just riding straight as well. If you are balanced over the board you are less likely to fall as you said. That is the single hardest thing to master about the Onewheel. As much as you try to tell people not to lean to go forward its almost as if everyone needs to crash and burn before they really learn. Happened to me in the beginning and I KNEW what to expect and how I should be riding.
The first time it happened was definately my fault. I leaned forward too far and couldnt get back. In other words i touched the nose quickly. But the last one and 2 others happened when I went slightly over a certain speed and it redlined and I hit the road.
kbman last edited by
I got 3 levels better after watching the way this guy rides and falls on and off of his board. He's not speaking English but just watch it
@wheeler If you find yourself flying FORWARD when the board accelerates, you're riding it incorrectly and you would benefit by correcting it.
Think about if you're standing on the hood of a car. If the car suddenly moves forward, you'll fall BACKWARDS. This is what the Onewheel is expecting to happen when it speeds up.
However, you're standing on the front bumper and leaning forward, when the car takes off it'll just launch you like a catapult.
@kbman Nice video! But his "Ollie" looks like a great way to crush your fingers!
duc809 last edited by
I am still learning too but I don't think going back to classic will prevent this completely. Especially going down a hill. Like many others I learned by doing even after reading the advice. All I can say it is very hard to get back on the board if you get too far forward and go down any hill. I second @thegreck advice although I have a long way to go for skills.
akraut last edited by akraut
To elaborate on @thegreck's initial reply, you don't really lean forward to get speed, you press forward. When we recently rode around Golden Gate Park, I brought with a friend who had never ridden before. The way I described it to him was to imagine a vertical line from the center of the tire all the way up to his head. He wanted to stay centered on or very slightly behind that line. Riding with knees slightly bent to help absorb the shock of bumps and things, pick a foot to use for steering, and the other foot for speed control. I ride normal (left foot forward), so I use my front/left foot for speed control (press for speed, lift to slow), and my rear/right foot for steering (push down with my toes for a right turn, lift my toes up for a left turn).
It seems to me that the most important part of stability is where to keep your center of gravity in relation to the board. Staying over the tire, or slightly behind it allows the board to spend less energy trying to slow you down when it senses you're getting out of control. If it only has to lift your foot to slow you down, it will happen easier and quicker than if it has to lift the majority of your bodyweight.
As you can see from this drawing I made, I can't draw for shit. However, the guy leaning forward to go fast, is clearly unhappy. https://goo.gl/photos/dtaPfLXFReS67dLn9
For Extreme use only
sonny123 last edited by sonny123
Great advice all over and the drawing is classic. :)
I read this and went for a ride.
The slight bending of knees is utterly important as newbs tend to stand straight which I was doing.
Wow! I made an effort to bend my knees slightly and what a difference. Helps with carving and everything else. Going down a step won't feel like onewheel is falling down before you. :)
As mentioned before, I think the key is to keep the body perpendicular in all situations, going downhill, uphill or level.
I try lean backward slightly before a bump.
Also, I find the right sneakers do help. I wear similar flat Nike like the one on Onewheel header picture.
I also tried grass and dirt for the first time. Just awesome.
Anyway, keep them great pointers coming...
@sonny123 Yes! Bending the knees is very important. Riding with your legs bent when you hit a pothole or uneven pavement can be the difference between riding on like it was nothing, and suddenly finding yourself pitched forward, flying out of control.
This has happened to me several times when I've been lazy and forgotten to bend my knees, but luckily I've been able to pull out of it before crashing.
sonny123 last edited by
Yep, this is my favorite Onewheel video and you could see how it show how the pros ride.
The drawing helped. I was in the habit of leaning forward too much. If I lean back and concentrate on keeping centered on the board its alot safer. Im doing some rocking back and forth practice and trying to make this a habit. Thank you for the tips guys.
medhead last edited by
Alright, here's a story. I've fallen multiple times, usually from a nosedive. Lots of road rash and major bruises. Now getting proficient on it, I'm humming a long on a grass field at max speed when my tire gets eaten by a divot and I become a human projectile. I get up. A little soreness in the left knee. Next day, soreness becomes pain and swelling. Next day is severe pain, red rash and a fever. Flash forward to today and the surgeon I just saw withdrew 60ml of pus out of my knee. I'm on 2 antibiotics, pain meds and I've missed 4 days of work. The tragic part is that I'm getting pressure from all directions to sell the board.
Tartopom last edited by
And everything without early sign of infection? :-o
SeaP90d last edited by
Regarding medhead's fall, I don't ride on grass anymore either except slowing and carefully, otherwise you're at the total and complete mercy of any hidden defects, and the falls to me anyway seem harsher than asphalt, no road rash of course, but you can hit and dig in knees and elbows for shorter and higher g stop than you get on pavement...
I beginning to think they cant fix this problem with a firmware patch.
All the wheels must all have this issue. I have fallen every time on extreme with protection. Thing is it eventually catches up to you. You can only slam the same place so m any times before something happens. I would use classic for awhile if I were you.
medhead last edited by
@Tartopom I thought the swelling was just a hematoma. The infection came on quickly. I was trying to treat it with just antibiotics but it wasn't going to get better until it was drained.