NoseDive - Actual concern or Overhyped?

  • @detroitwheelin Been riding nearly on a daily basis for 8 months now, and no nosedives. I think 99% of the time it's caused by people leaning forward and putting too much weight on the front. It happens so fast when you do that, people just assume it's device failure.

    I say buy one and you're sure to love it, as long as you follow these 3 tips to avoid nosedives:

    1. Take it slow for the first few weeks at least
    2. Keep your heel and toe on the sensors while riding
    3. Always keep your center of gravity centered and your weight distributed equally across both sides of the wheel

  • there is more than one cause of conditions that could be referred to as a 'nosedive'.

    the most commonly referred to type of nosedive is what i prefer to call a 'crap-out'. this is when the board stops driving because of a short in the 'sensors'--the two rider presence switches under the blue strip. this is caused by rider error or hardware error (flaky switches).

    the board balances the weight of the rider across the axle. there are limits on this function according to speed and traction and the distribution of weight presented by the rider. this weight would change significantly within the course of ride, and this also affects traction.

    surpassing these limits can cause two distinct types of nosedive. one is too much weight in front as it relates to traction--the other is too much weight in front as it relates to the capacity of the motor (freewheeling).

  • @detroitwheelin

    I suggest the OW as you can travel on almost any surface not just hard surfaces. Then just keep your respect for the machine that it is and learn the usable limits and not push them. I found that when you push the limits that is the boundary line when the unexpected happens. If the OW feels unstable back off a bit. My only nose down was up hill too fast to carry my weight so I ran off the front and was able to stay on my feet. Got back on and rode off. Just do and do not look back.

  • @detroitwheelin I actually live nearby in Farmington Hills. I was also on the fence about buying a Onewheel. We have a few communal OW's at work in addition to several others belonging to friends and coworkers. We also have some Boosted Boards and other variants. The OW's get the most use by far. Clients always get a trip out of seeing people whiz around around the office. That being said, I honestly didn't even ride much. We had a company picnic a few weeks ago and I ended up riding for my first time outdoors and on grass. I had no idea how much fun this would be. I became absolutely hooked.

    I ended up buying my own three weeks ago and haven't looked back. I borrowed one from work for Labor Day weekend and had a blast riding with my girlfriend who had no prior experience to that point. She got the hang of things very quickly. We both wore protective gear (sounds dirty I know). I've taken a few falls that could have been bad without them, but improving considerably each session. There are a ton of awesome trails in the area, places I may have never bothered checking out before getting my Onewheel. Now I'm convinced I need to get one for my gf but trying to hold off until spring ;)

  • I vote for the OW too, and I also own an Evolve Carbon GT. Basically I experienced 2 nosedive, but both were at beginning because I put too much weight on the front the first time, and second time because I outrunned the motor. Since then (around 4 months now) I never had any issue except a front light failure, but it has been replaced under warranty. What I can tell about E-longboard, is that you will get failure too. Evolve had some "full brake" apply bug when it lost connection with remote on Gen 1 models, I also brock 3 rear trucks...
    The OW is far more solid and robust, If I had to choose and keep only one, it would be the onewheel. I don't know why but I always take it with me. I don't worry about lost connection issue because there is no remote, and I can ride any terrain, and it's also really more nimble when commuting in the city...And another point : When I loose balance and going to crash, I can finally run and stay stand up 99% of the time because the max speed of the onewheel is just around 25km/h (which is speed you can run). On E-longboard, I'm more often around 35km/h so at that speed, when I crash, I really crash...

  • @regulat0r I need to come work wherever you work...sounds awesome! :) ...question for someone that's tried both the OneWheel and a boosted board (or any electric longboard) , is the Carving that much better (more snowboard like) than the longboard?

  • @Tartopom Thanks yeah you have a good point about the speed ... i snowboard so i know that even though you cruise down the hill slower than skiers , it's just more fun , so probably similar

  • @detroitwheelin Been riding for two weeks. Only time I nosedived was because I outran the motor as well. (I think. There was a lot of alcohol involved too and I had only ridden it here and there a handful of times.)

    Mentioned this elsewhere but the mobility of the OneWheel is THE reason to get it. It's so ridiculously fun, but once you get yours you'll quickly notice all of the things the BB wouldn't be able to do, or places it couldn't go.

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  • @detroitwheelin I haven't read the comments so far, just adding my experience to it.
    As a original kickstarter backer, I've ridden my OW for a long time. I've been using it for my daily commute for almost a year, and apart from that I've ridden all kinds of terrain.
    I fell off the board once when riding very slow on very non-flat terrain, and had to catch myself with my hands. So that wasn't extremely smart, but it was only because I lost balance.
    Apart from that, I've never hurt myself on the OW, and I ride pretty aggressive.
    I have come off the board a few times, due to driving too fast, or going over too large obstacles. But nothing I couldn't outrun. Also when I ignored battery warning, the board died riding slightly downhill. My fault, but I didn't get hurt. AKA. I have nosedived a few times over these years, at low speed and at full speed. But I've always landed on my feet.

    Do I fear crashes? The last year, I've ridden with no safety equipment (I know it's really stupid), hands in my pocket, and full speed for many many miles and hours. No I don't worry about it. Ride with wrist guards and a helmet at least for a few months no matter what. Then you can decide how you want to ride, stupid or safe.

  • Thanks @germx , great to hear! another question for you , since you're an original backer , are you worried at all about the company itself? it seems strange that it's been over a year and no word about a possible OW2 , any concerns ?.... i know i'm insanely overthinking this , but $1500 is alot of money to spend on a "toy" :)


  • @detroitwheelin

    you are overthinking it. Onewheel is not a toy but a lifestyle--float life.

  • @detroitwheelin said in NoseDive - Actual concern or Overhyped?:

    i know i'm insanely overthinking this , but $1500 is alot of money to spend on a "toy" :)

    Well, you could buy a Boosted Board instead. Wait, those are $1,500 too. Maybe you could have fun flying a Phantom 4 drone around? Sorry... those are also $1,500. I got it: you could get a Segway. Those are the same basic idea, but probably a bit safer. Hang on, those are $5,300.

    $1,500 is a standard price for something this advanced, whether you want to refer to it as a toy or not. I don't refer to mine as a toy, because it gets me to work and back every day. It just happens to be fun as hell to ride, too.

    I see nothing to worry about when a company has a great product that thousands of people are buying. The reason there hasn't been a version 2 is because the first one was 5 years in the making and it's fucking amazing. There are improvements that can be made, and I'm sure they're working on it, but 2 years is nothing. It's taken them this long just to catch up with demand for the first one.

  • @thegreck good points , i agree and a quality product built the way the OneWheel (appears) to be built is definitely worth $1500. by "toy", i just meant that , since i won't be commuting with it, i would be using it for purely recreational purposes , so "toy" by definition of it's use case , not quality

    well..... i think you guys have convinced me , i'm in!

  • @detroitwheelin Yeah it's definitely an investment, I just wanted to say it's worth it. They're not making a killing on each unit, the price is what it is because they use quality parts. Which is what you want on something like this, where your safety and well-being depends on it.

  • @detroitwheelin Yeah dude it's awesome, definitely a work hard play harder environment. Our company is called Vectorform FYI (HQ in Royal Oak).

    To give you a bit more background. I started snowboarding ~10-11 years ago and try to do a big trip out west each year. It's literally one of my favorite things to do, hands down. I am by no means an expert. I just like to ride at my leisure and explore the mountain / different runs and be at one with nature. I swear, I get damn near the same satisfaction on my Onewheel compared to boarding. As soon as I mentally made the connection to snowboarding (and how I tend to shift my heel / toe side weight to carve and all the supporting muscles involved), it was like riding a bike for me. I even started to experience the same type of arching / foot pains that come with snowboarding, but that's been improving with time. My only regret is that I didn't purchase one sooner!

    There is no comparison to carving / turning on a OW vs electric long board. I'll be honest, I was also debating getting a Leif Electronic Snowboard which looks pretty awesome. The company seems a bit too bootstrapped for my liking and hasn't been doing much marketing, which I'm assuming is due to limited funding. I'm not sure how long they'll be around for. The biggest factor that led to my OW purchase was the versatility of terrain I can ride on. I can't tell you how many times I've rode on grass, gravel, and other surfaces to take little exploratory detours on my rides and to avoid pedestrians / bikers. I wouldn't give this up for anything, period. I even think to myself during some rides "I couldn't do this on the Boosted Board / Leif". Even just over Labor Day weekend, I was out at Hines Park (which you may be familiar with) riding on a biking trail. There were a ton of areas off of the paved trail I would ride into and circle around before hopping back on the trail. I love carving through grass and checking out places I would otherwise have never walked to before.

    Dude it's just so much fun! I'm excited just thinking about it. I want to get one for my girlfriend since we had such a blast riding together. Just need to budget accordingly for that :D

  • @regulat0r This. Everything you said man. I've only had mine for two weeks and the closeness to snowboarding is amazing. Yesterday was my first ride I think I really felt that connection to boarding fully, the movements and body positioning/shifting. I get close to my house, pull my phone out, see I still have some percentage left and off I go to burn through the rest haha.

  • @regulat0r I agree 110% .. Get it on the beach on the hard sand near the water. You won't believe how close the ride feels to snowboarding. I also love short grass riding, as its good for practicing switch.

  • @thegreck said in NoseDive - Actual concern or Overhyped?:

    They're not making a killing on each unit, the price is what it is because they use quality parts.<

    i imagine they are making a killing.

  • @detroitwheelin
    Its cool that they sell them at Best Buy. I checked the store though and you still have to order it. My friend has a segway mini pro he paid 800 for. Its speed is limited to 10 mph though. It could easily do 17mph with the 800 watts. It beeps and pushes back when you go over 10 mph. It does very good on bumps too. Range is 14 miles but takes 3-4 hrs to charge.

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