Nosediving +



  • @darren1414 That is a serious injury, did your knee hit the ground? Do you know if a knee guard\pads would have prevented it?



  • @JacoNZ

    My knee buckled after it was forced into hyperextension as I landed on my feet with my leg straight trying to run out the sudden stop. So I don't think knee pads would have helped in that instance.

    I do believe I should have tried to havetried to hit the ground differently with flexed knees and rolled onto the ground. In that case a helmet and knee pads would definitely have helped but I may have injured other areas. I hear of people riding being always prepared to be thrown off but that's a terrible way to ride not having full confidence in the ride.

    For now I think when and if I recover, I'll go back to the boosted board cause that won't be able to nosedive but of course there are other ways to fall from that as well.



  • A question for the long time riders, did your nosedive frequency decline with experience?



  • @JacoNZ If you start slow and wait until you really understand the way the Onewheel's balancing works, then slowly gain speed, you might never nosedive, so there's no frequency to decline.



  • After waiting five months, I finally received my OW plus, I was so happy. I rode it for almost 30 miles in the first three days. I never experienced any kick back, it accelerated great, curved good, felt stable and I was confident/felt secure riding it. Then, on the four day, I was just slowly going down a slight incline and it dumped me. I thought it was something I did, so I took a few days to heal and hopped back on it. I was going up that same hill and the nose seem to want to dip on me and I wasn't pushing it at all. I get to the flat part and it dumps me again. I wasn't hurt, so I got back on and decided to get home. On the way, I got up to about 12mph and it dumped me hard. I'm still recovering for three weeks now, I fractured my heal, bruised my ribs, sprained my pinky, and have some road rash.
    I've been in touch with tech support, they walked me through testing the sensors, the sensors were good. They asked me to try the board again, so when I felt good enough to ride it, I took it out. It didn't seem to accelerate good, felt wobbly and I couldn't get it to go faster than 11.6mph. I have previously been able to reach 17.2mph. I contact customer service again and they said they think there's a problem with my OW plus, YOU THINK? They think it's the battery modulator or something like that. They said they would send me a shipping label via email, haven't received it in five days now.
    After all these months waiting, paying that much money, defending the cost and future motion on the social medias and this is the crappy board and service I receive? Total BS!



  • @East-Coast-Rob They're a small company dealing with a huge growth spurt right now. Did you contact them again and ask for the shipping label? That would probably be more helpful.



  • @darren1414 When I first got my Plus, there was a noticeable little click noise I used to hear coming from the motor while riding. Also I never felt any pushback in the beginning when I could hear this noise. I had a few nose dives and never felt any pushback prior. Then I put it in Sequoia mode as I was determined to feel this "pushback" that people had referenced and hadn't felt on my OW. Initially, I didn't feel anything in Sequoia either and suddenly out of no where pushback started. I had been going the same speeds prior in the same modes but never felt the pushback. I am convinced that riding hard in Sequoia finally adjusted something in the motor that was out of align preventing pushback. I switched it to Mission after this and suddenly started feeling pushback there too. Since this day, I have not noticed the little click I used to hear coming from the motor, and I have not had any nose dives like I had the first few weeks I had it. I have had nosedives, but they seem much less severe like the motor was still trying to hold me up versus just complete stop and dump off the front nosedives. Again i know nothing about the internals of the OneWheel so this theory could be completely wrong. Initially, I thought it was user error(as I am sure many of you do / still do), but now that I have 500+ miles, I feel that there was something slightly out of whack when I first got my plus.



  • @goodblake-eskate thanks for sharing your experience. Knee still stiff following surgery but that calling to get back on the onewheel is strong. Right now mainly boosted boarding cause I feel that with a weak knee I can't have the potential of any nose diving. Once better, I fear all this will change. 😛



  • I believe the frustration is this-
    The onewheel is a 'skill oriented' product, so clearly there isn't a basic throttle and brake. The issue is, this is optimum to claim there is rider error.

    For example, i've ridden my V1 for 1800 miles. I hop on the +, drop off a height of just 2 bricks, and the board goes into full acceleration and shoots out from under me.

    After doing multiple foot drops on the V1, i'd imagine i can pop down a tiny height of a few bricks. I took videos, and reached out. I was heartbroken to hear them try to tell me how to proverly ride a onewheel.

    I reached out for further diagnosis; and they claimed it was my footpads. Unfortunately, even if the footpads were stuck on, the board would break when the tail is touching the ground. In my case, the board accelerated.

    I think their customer service is a very delicate subject. My V1 board was back 2 times because the battery wasn't reading the right percent. It would die at like 35%, but even after 2 times it still does - they didn't fix it.

    The problem i see is, now what? What do riders like me do? False diagnosis. I don't want footpads, i want to be able to safely go down slight drops like my V1. I am at a loss to figure out what the next step is.



  • @shaka-wheeler feeling your frustration. One thing I noticed is how the Original and + perform differently during wheelslip / when the tire loses contact with the ground. On the Original the motor doesn't rev up, so when you land it's playing catch-up, which is why the nose dips and you need to lean back to be ready to compensate for that. On the + it's different. As soon as the wheel loses contact with the ground the motor revs up big time, in anticipation of the landing. Took me a while to adjust but instead of leaning back like I do on the Original to get ready for the nose to drop, I actually lean forward / put pressure on the front footpad, and that keeps the tail from dropping when the tire reconnects with the ground. 2 different boards, and they handle completely differently. If you haven't yet tried this could you, and let me know how it goes?



  • @groovyruvy If you check out 00:14 on Jeff's video https://youtu.be/Jtzp0zGtyqs, you'll see the wheel definitely spins out when it loses contact with the ground. The difference is the amount of torque the motor has in the V1 vs the plus.

    On the plus, it's powerful enough to shoot out from under you unless you compensate for it, whereas on the V1, just your body weight creates enough drag that it's easy to control.



  • @thegreck said in Nosediving +:

    @groovyruvy If you check out 00:14 on Jeff's video https://youtu.be/Jtzp0zGtyqs, you'll see the wheel definitely spins out when it loses contact with the ground. The difference is the amount of torque the motor has in the V1 vs the plus.

    On the plus, it's powerful enough to shoot out from under you unless you compensate for it, whereas on the V1, just your body weight creates enough drag that it's easy to control.

    @groovyruvy said in Nosediving +:

    @shaka-wheeler feeling your frustration. One thing I noticed is how the Original and + perform differently during wheelslip / when the tire loses contact with the ground. On the Original the motor doesn't rev up, so when you land it's playing catch-up, which is why the nose dips and you need to lean back to be ready to compensate for that. On the + it's different. As soon as the wheel loses contact with the ground the motor revs up big time, in anticipation of the landing. Took me a while to adjust but instead of leaning back like I do on the Original to get ready for the nose to drop, I actually lean forward / put pressure on the front footpad, and that keeps the tail from dropping when the tire reconnects with the ground. 2 different boards, and they handle completely differently. If you haven't yet tried this could you, and let me know how it goes?

    Thanks for that. I will setup a grass test. I wish they enhanced the riding experience rather than try and change it. It's unfortunate but i guess that's how it's going to be. Hopefully the company still tries to keep the boards changing, or get a variety. Kind of scary that the board is of the same asthetic (minus footpads) 3 years later after their first product.



  • @shaka-wheeler I feel like most of the issues of this nature that people are complaining about are due to the fact that the plus has a more powerful motor. And I think the first thing that needed to be done to enhance the ride was upgrade the motor. Now it's time for them to tweak the software; it seems like all of these things can be fixed that way.

    Like for the massive overspin that happens when the wheel leaves the ground; I don't see any reason that the wheel should even be able to go from 10mph to 50mph in half a second, and I would think that should be easily fixable in the software.



  • @shattle This happened to me 3x times yesterday. One perhaps I accelerated too fast. But the other two times it nose dived I was barely going 12 mph. On and empty road. Got thrashed. Keep telling myself it's my fault but I'm a little skeptical about that. Oh well. Wounds heal! 🤙🏽



  • @alikaks nosedives can happen even when traveling at moderate speeds on flat roads. Are you sure you're in Mission Mode? Are you accelerating smoothly up to speed? Are you keeping your legs fairly straight / not bending the knees a lot? Are you keeping your weight a little more over the tire and a little less over the front of the board? If no to any of these things maybe give them a try, and if yes, is there any more info you can share, or can you post a video of your riding / nosediving?


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