Quick Poll: Unexpected Nosedives



  • I’d say ride (learn) 100miles on the OW before deciding whether you can commute carrying the dog.

    I think it is certainly possible.

    (Disclosure: I have only 128mi under my belt)



  • I personally waited 200km (130miles?) before I dared transporting my laptop in my backpack. I now have close to 4 times that under my belt, but i'm still extra careful when i'm carrying something fragile: take it easy, keep it simple, enjoy the ride...
    When i start getting too playful, falling (and rolling on my back) does (rightfully) happen. It wouldn't be fun if you got all the tricks on the first try. ^^

    For the record, i've never experienced any high-speed nosedive (my top speed is a safe 17mph). Since I'm experienced enough to understand what happens when I fall, I haven't had any unexplained nosedives of other sorts (i did have some).
    At first, I would crash and my mind would kind of blink and get back to consciousness when i'm on the ground; It would all happen in an instant and leave me with very few clues. As i got better, time started to slow down and my mind was better able to understand and react to a fall situation; Also, my reflexes got better, so my body starts reacting early, moving back the moment i fall and giving my brain more time to process and react.
    Anyway, my point is: nowadays when i fall, i always understand ultimately why. Even when i fall because of the board, it's because i hit a limit i knew about and should have avoided. For example, I fell on a tail-slide over-regeneration some days ago and the alarm started ringing when my ass was on the ground (perhaps there was a Bluetooth hick-up?). Still, totally my fault: new place, jumping fast down a steep hill with a full battery and braking hard when it gets steeper... Duh. What was I thinking? (I live on a hill, i battle with over regeneration everyday).



  • So far your poll is:

    • Yes: 9% (6)
    • No: 91% (59)

    If there is any bias in this poll, it's probably people blaming the board wrongly. I suspect careful examination of these 6 cases would prove some of them at least are user error.



  • I wasn't done with unexpected nosedives on my strong side (riding regular) until I had clocked >400 miles total. They were all my fault, even though each time I wanted to initially believe the board had malfunctioned. With experience I learned better.

    Now, knock-on-wood, it's been >800 miles since my last nosedive. Heed the warnings of others and take it serious, keep it 15mph max, but you don't need to ride paranoid and like squeeze the fun out of it. It's a very safe commuter machine if you pay attention and wear proper pads, signal properly in traffic, etc.



  • tldr; >600 miles, no unexpected nose dives. If you're dog is cool with it, get it.

    I clocked ~600 miles before winter set in and had exactly 1 nosedive. It was entirely my fault. Tried to accelerate reallly hard through a crosswalk going up hill. Float plates saved my hide since it let the board skid for a bit rather than just biting concrete. Ran it out, lived to ride another day.

    Best pieces of advice I have:

    • Let the board do the acceleration for you as much as possible.
      It's a pretty mighty board, but doesn't like jumping from 5 to 15 at an instant. Trying to do that just means you're gonna jam down on the front increasing your chance of eating gravel.

    • If you're going to ride hard, ride engaged.
      There's absolutely nothing wrong with cruising up West End at 2am with some fries in your hands and a good feeling in your head, but if you're going to bomb down 7th, you don't get to ease up.

    • Fenders and Float Plates
      You'll want these: http://thefloat.life/

    • Check with you dog
      Not all pups like the boards and some are down right mean about it if they're not out right scared. Some people are down for dogs on leashes while they ride bikes and boards...Not sure I'm one of them. I'd hate for my boy to suddenly careen into me :-/

    • Learn to ride good
      A list I made of stuff to work on: http://community.onewheel.com/topic/7290/nyc-riders-help-out-a-total-newbie/4
      Practice practice practice and it'll become 2nd nature. NYC has a pretty decent community and everyone's been friendly that I've met. They're usually down to ride with new people. Get on some of the FB groups, etc...I'm in the UWS and it's a pretty decent area to tool around in.



  • @firephreek It's interesting that you call out the float plates as giving you just enough "slide" to let you run a nosedive out. I've been holding off on getting some because I don't really do tricks, but if they can occasionally function as "safety enhancers" under some conditions then they're worth it in any case. Think I will order some now.

    To the OP - I don't know that I personally would try to carry a dog far, or frequently, or through rough terrain or heavy traffic on a board. If I were going to, I'd want some kind of hands-free dog-carry rig to do it (you may occasionally need to throw your arms out for balance, something you don't do on a bike) and ideally, it'd be something rigid (a "rollcage" of some kind) so that if I did take a bad spill, the dog is pretty protected.



  • @glyph

    If you do any trail or off road riding the Float Plates are worth it. It’s kike a screen protector on your phone... mine saved my battery box from exploding a few different times. And I let a reckless friend try my board this weekend, would have been completely busted up without the plates protecting the aluminum when he went tumbling a few times.



  • I've had one nose dive and it happened while I was pushing the board a hard as I could while holding a cocktail. Pretty sure it wasn't my fault.



  • I currently own a Boosted Board V2 and an OneWheel+ so.. If your commute is 5+ miles everyday then I wouldn't get a OneWheel but anything under that and I would 100% get a OneWheel. Ive took 3 nosedives in the past each each on the Orginal OneWheel, but have yet nosedived on the OneWheel+. Also it depends on your street quality because if you have a ton of bumps and cracks all over then the OneWheel is the way to go.



  • @skyman88 Because of where I live I'm mostly pavement riding, but I've had two serious spills, so the additional protection for the board is probably a good idea no matter what.



  • @glyph If I had the plates on when I had my bad nose dive, my board wouldn't have lost so much aluminum. For $45 it's probably worth just reducing the risk of damage to the rails and control/battery boxes. And @jeffmccosker is a good dude to deal with.



  • @skyman88 WIse words indeed.



  • @readysetawesome said in Quick Poll: Unexpected Nosedives:

    attention

    I logged on specifically to ask basically this same question about board fails. This topic​ is so touchy I don't know if I could correctly word the question. I have nosedived and I can always surmise the scenario bu, after 600mi, I cannot say the board ever straight cut out on flat street cruising. The more I read the less I am confident in the hardware, software and hard work of all working to prevent that from happening. If I were an offline rider, my confidence would be stronger.
    I realize I'm asking for it here but I must..
    Who has had a spill on flat ground at cruising speed that was certainly machine error in their EXPERIENCED opinion?



  • @kbman What is cruising speed? Before or after pushback?



  • 200+ miles on mine. Two bad nosedives initially but pulled in the reigns and after 100 miles nothing then suddenly on a familiar nightly ride boom! Broken collar bone, had to have surgery, screws/metal. When spring rolls around I'll be looking like a football player on the thing. I had about 3 bad ones total, surely dead without a helmet. Pad up, no time to react. I believe the last was mechanical or something, just stopped dead on flat ground standing level, the others I was leaning too far forward and going uphill.



  • @aspenlife My first (and only) bad one happened at 256 miles, broke my arm and now have a frozen shoulder I am in physical therapy for, they think six months to totally recup. Flat ground, no issues I can see there (I went back to look at the spot recently), battery at 40%. Like you, no time to react, just BANG down to the concrete on my bicep, all 180 pounds of me.

    I THINK I may have overaccelerated from dead stop, but it's weird - I never have before, I'm not a particularly aggressive or "trick" rider, I just like riding around, heading to the pub, that sort of thing. Sidewalk surfing. It's possible I got cocky or careless, but I'm gonna have trouble trusting the board, and myself, for a while when I get back on.

    What kind of safety gear are you planning on using when you get back on? I've even briefly considered things like motorcycle armor/jacket, but it's so hot where I live that I probably either wouldn't wear it, or wouldn't ride. I'd like something to protect shoulders/biceps that ISN'T football pads. I did get bicep pads, and I am thinking about those padded stretchy shirts used for contact sports.



  • @readysetawesome YOU RIDE SWITCH ON THIS THING!?



  • I've ridden a lot and I'm not sure the mileage that I have but with the 3 boards I ride regularly(me riding more than 70 percent of the time) They all add up to around 3500 miles we have been riding since last December and I have had my share of crashes and all that stuff, first starting out I had less than I do now. Now what I've found how to push the boat to 20-23mph I've gotten myself into trouble, looking back I think that it was a smart idea to try and respect the board limits in the beginning from reading nosedive posts. Its not like I didn't push the board or have any fun I still went 15-17mph but I didn't push it too hard, when you start pushing the board beyond its limits and or give very very fast on bumpy surfaces you start to get yourself in trouble, that's how the majority of my injuries have happened other than offroad type accidents or while doing tricks. And no matter how well you trust your board always wear a helmet and wristguards at the minimum if you want to be able to move on with daily stuff after a crash I recommend you invest in some good elbow pads and knee pads. Since I'm a teenager it's not as big a deal if im banged up once and a while. So when I first started out I think that I had one bad crash that kept me from riding for a couple days I wasnt wearing wrist gaurds and probably messed it up bad since it still hurts to do some things just a little and I never went to a doctor about it, but I was cruising along and there was a drop in the sidewalk I knew it was there but I had ridden for like 30 40 miles and felt I could handle it going 15mph but aparently not I rode it out than moved my foot on landing bam I nosedived but this was also the v1 with the sensor just in the middle, learning on that one probably helped a ton too gives you less confidence so you dont try stupid stuff as soon into riding. With the plus boards, my sister learned on these and she never had a nosedive yet so I think you should get some riding under your belt 150-200 miles get confident in the board than ease into commuting with it and once your comfortable rip up the streets on your way to work. Also if you dare try riding switch for maybe 50 miles once you get your first 150-200 get a little used to it, right now I'm going to ride my next 300 miles switch so in the summer maybe my surfing on switch side will improve. Once you get a handle of these things they are a blast! And I bet one hell of a commuter, You will probably want a couple things for your onewheel too, if you are concerned about aesthetics get some grip cleaner and some float life sidekicks (ill post a link) you will probably also want some float plates and also a fender (all these things will set you up good for starting your onewheel journey, the float life sidekicks arent nescesary and neither are the float plates but if you want to protect the onewheel they sure do work good at protecting the internals and the looks of your board, and with a dog a fender is pretty much a MUST.

    Sidekicks: http://thefloat.life/product/float-sidekicks/
    Float Plates: http://thefloat.life/product/float-plates-jeff-mccosker-pro-model/
    There are a few fender options since you are a preorder you will probably receive a free fender from onewheel. @njcustom makes some sick ones, but don't get a nice one until you have ridden for a while so you don't scrape up a nice one.
    Nj: http://community.onewheel.com/topic/827/magnetic-carbon-fiber-fenders-for-sale-here/40
    Craft and ride: https://craftandride.com/collections/onewheel-fender
    And I know there are other people that make them just not sure who they are.

    on another note, after a while of one wheeling you will want some different grip the stuff that on if at least when we got ours wasn't very good peeled off on the sides and all that good stuff. so like craft and ride people have pre-cut grip tape that you can buy too in a couple different colors ill just post the link to the regular stuff though

    Grip: https://craftandride.com/collections/onewheel-griptape/products/onewheel-plus-griptape-in-black

    But for accessories and stuff I don't have much just a fender and float plates, and I kinda wish I had them earlier on so the sides weren't so scraped up, but it happens and you will find by looking on these forums that the onewheel community loves making things to use with the onewheel, like now a guy that snowboards a lot here in Colorado is part ofmaking these things called flight fins so you can just jump with your board they seem pretty cool and since I do some tricks I think they would make it fun, but for the average rider it would be usefull to jump up curbs and stuff.

    Flight Fins: http://www.flightfins.com

    Hope my big jumbled bunch of stuff was usefull and hope you have alot of fun on your xr board!



  • @offroadow I'm still skeptical on the float plates. I've got the fender that comes from OneWheel, its nice and scraped up, I could give two... Now that I'm in the street more I'm definitely starting to feel the pushback on Delirium, and at least for now I have zero interest in fighting it to go faster. 4.4 miles in 30 minutes is plenty fast.



  • @510-1-whl the float plates for me and my buddies that ride with it’s defintly a must because it protects your OneWheel and once you get good at stuff let’s you do slides and grinds, for people that can’t do slides and stuff like that or don’t have any interest in doing that they are still awesome because for dropping off curbs and stuff it keeps your battery and internals safe, somebody was tellin me that they saw a rock punch right through the battery pack and of course was a nightmare, so float plates would have most likely stoped that from happening. I love mine and would recommend them to most people who want to keep their OneWheel lookin nice. Or you could make some for like 3 bucks with ikea cutting boards.


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