Noob Question XR



  • Hi everyone, I recently got the XR and have about 25-30 miles on it (more addicted with each trip). I have a question on the basic operation of the board. According to the Onewheel instructions it says to "lean to accelerate" and goes on to describe it as a shifting of your hip and shoulders. When I ride I can feel this happening...almost like shifting my center of gravity toward the nose of the board makes it go and speed up. However, on many articles about riding tips it describes accelerating as a "push with your feet". Specifically it says keep your center of gravity over the tire at all times, so (if you ride standard) your left leg is almost straight while your back right leg is bent and the faster you're going the more straight the lead leg is and more bent the back leg is. Which of these 2 method is accurate? I snowboard and neither feels like snowboarding. Snowboarding I always try to keep my weight center (unless buttering) and legs bent. On the Onewheel my legs always feel more straight, if i try to really bend down and squat it feels almost unnatural. Thanks.



  • @rat8cheese Be very, very cautious about "leaning" to the front of the board, as depending on various factors (your weight, the terrain, your speed) you are inherently tempting fate into the dreaded nosedive. This is what the riding tips are trying to get across when they say "don't lean to change speed, use leg pressure instead while keeping yr body in place". Keeping your weight centered directly over the wheel at all times is working with the board's design to try to KEEP you there (that is, upright and level) at all times.

    When you put too much weight on either side (with the front being more dangerous than the back), you are now making the board work against you to stay level. If you push it outside its capacities to both propel you and keep you upright, down goes the nose, the board stops IMMEDIATELY, you run it out (if lucky/reasonably-prepared) or get thrown to ground (if unlucky/unprepared).

    I keep my knees slightly bent - I see videos of people with their knees VERY bent, but I only do this if I'm going under a low-hanging branch or something. But I also tend to ride mostly on pavement, it's possible for off-roaders their knees need to be more bent.



  • I agree with @glyph 100%. Another thing to keep in mind is your front foot should be relatively close to the tire. I wouldn't put my front foot any further to the edge then the center of the pad. If this feels too narrow then shift your back foot back. It is better to be shifted to the back part of the board than the other way around. All of these recommendations are more guidelines than rules. When I first started, I made the mistake of being too duck footed and having my foot to close to the front edge and also leaning towards the front of the board which resulted in many nosedives and almost caused me to get rid of the Onewheel. Once I shifted my stance back and focused on standing upright, I have had very few nosedives that I haven't been able to ride out.
    Just heed the guidelines and figure out what works best for you.



  • @glyph Thanks! So what it sounds like is the "karate stance" I've been trying more is the correct way. That is, keeping my lead leg straighter (and therefore pressing down on the front like a gas pedal) than my rear leg but still keeping my weight centered over the board? As opposed to leaning my hip the direction I want to go, not so much a lean as a thrust. When I first tried to board it that's how it felt, "pointing my hip" forward made the board go forward without any pressing from my feet or any leaning with my head.



  • @rat8cheese
    Your “karate or TKD stance” analogy is spot on like a blended horse and front stance. The goal is to keep body weight centered with a relaxed stance as @Glyph & @goodblake-eskate have shared. I too have found my back foot more toward the outer edge and my front is more mid to center on sensor pad.

    Have fun and respect the OW balance.....



  • @goodblake-eskate Ever since my only nosedive (which happened over 250 miles in, but messed my shoulder up bad, and I am still dealing with that) I have been putting my front foot RIGHT next to the wheel, and my back foot at the very edge of the board. I might be overcompensating and maybe over time I will shift slightly back forward, but for now, I would MUCH rather make a mistake to the rear but make it nearly impossible for me to overweight the front; the nosedive to me seems much more potentially-disastrous than the taildrag.



  • @glyph Yeah 100% agree! Whenever I have friends who get the onewheel and are learning to ride, I recommend keeping the front foot right next to the tire and over time you can move it further forward to what is more comfortable / works for you. It helps prevent nosedives from happening and if they do happen you are much more likely to be able to ride it out this way. Hitting the ground from a nosedive is something I hope I never have to experience again.



  • Very nice tip, but I am always perplexed every time I hear not to lean forward but to instead put pressure on the front foot.

    I do get what the message is trying to convey, but is weight pressure the force i get due to the gravity. If so how do i get my weight to my front foot without leaning?

    Gravity is constant on both foot.

    @glyph said in Noob Question XR:

    @rat8ch. eese Be very, very cautious about "leaning" to the front of the board, as depending on various factors (your weight, the terrain, your speed) you are inherently tempting fate into the dreaded nosediveThis is what the riding tips are trying to get across when they say "don't lean to change speed, use leg pressure instead while keeping yr body in place". Keeping your weight centered directly over the wheel at all times is working with the board's design to try to KEEP you there (that is, upright and level) at all times.

    When you put too much weight on either side (with the front being more dangerous than the back), you are now making the board work against you to stay level. If you push it outside its capacities to both propel you and keep you upright, down goes the nose, the board stops IMMEDIATELY, you run it out (if lucky/reasonably-prepared) or get thrown to ground (if unlucky/unprepared).

    I keep my knees slightly bent - I see videos of people with their knees VERY bent, but I only do this if I'm going under a low-hanging branch or something. But I also tend to ride mostly on pavement, it's possible for off-roaders their knees need to be more bent.



  • @fruitygreen It's difficult to describe, but the key concept here is you want your main body weight to remain over the wheel. To "lean", at least to me, usually means to angle your torso one way or another. That moves your weight/center of gravity in that same direction (lean too far over a railing at the Grand Canyon, and you fall over the railing).

    What you're trying to do instead, I guess, is "lean" with your pelvis only (thereby putting pressure on front or back foot); but keep your torso upright and centered.

    Sorry if I am not explaining this clearly.



  • @fruitygreen said in Noob Question XR:

    Very nice tip, but I am always perplexed every time I hear not to lean forward but to instead put pressure on the front foot.

    I do get what the message is trying to convey, but is weight pressure the force i get due to the gravity. If so how do i get my weight to my front foot without leaning?

    Gravity is constant on both foot.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I see it is that the angle of the board is what directs it to accelerate, decelerate, or stop moving altogether. Any weight leveraged into the lean simply makes more work for the motor to keep the wheel under you. In order to keep my weight centered over the wheel, pressing down on my front foot basically means extending my forward leg and bending my back one. This causes the board to "lean", without me actually leaning my body forward (well, as much as I can try not to).

    I, too, have experienced 2 nose dives, one at just over 100 miles and another several hundred miles later (at 22 mph!!!). Since then, I've moved both feet back (maybe too far, as someone else mentioned), kept my top speed around 15 mph, and I've been safely and happily riding ever since, and I'm almost at 1000 miles.



  • @fruitygreen I just put in another 15 miles in today (and the XR still had 20% battery left!) and I played around with Delirium which made the board much more responsive and let me practice slow speed toe side and heel side turns. Regarding the putting pressure on front foot thing, at slow speeds I can feel it more...but if I had to described it I would say it feels like you're standing on a seesaw right at the fulcrum. Now imagine you're not shifting your weight forward or backward but rather using your legs to press up and down...one leg would be straighter and the other more bent and vice versa. I think the best photo would be if your Google "backstance Shotokan" but imagine both feet point parallel to the front of the board rather than the toes pointed at the front of the board...if that makes sense.



  • Been doing martial arts for 25 years. Love the references! My xr will be shipping in the 11th. Can't wait!



  • lol! i get what people are trying to explain, but leaning forward is the only way to transfer the weight. hehe.

    no need to explain to me, cause i have primitive beliefs.

    with legs spread apart its impossible to remain centered if you lift any leg up. just try it on a level ground and tell me your results.

    very eager to see what the results are.

    its the explanation that boggles me, and not so much the physics.



  • Don’t forget there is this thing called YouTube ...



  • I’ve nosedived...ate it, got hurt, run it out...etc....and all of the above. Not satisfied with the original pads, I installed two surfstyle “kickpads” in place of the grip tape on my V1...and I slide the outside edge of each foot all the way up to the raised lip of each pad. I prefer the wider stance with a slight bend of each knee. I keep my weight centered and use my hips to shift my weight/foot pressure to accelerate and propel the board. To each their own. The one thing I will say is, just like riding slow speed on a motorcycle...your board will follow your “head and eyes”. Whichever direction you look...and turn your head...the board will follow. This becomes really important when you start connecting turns. Bottom line is, find a comfortable stance and experiment with what works best. Don’t worry about the instructions. Find what works best for you...there is no right or wrong way to shred! Happy Floating!



  • @capodeltoro yep just get on it and ride
    body will adjust to it. some people are clumsier than others so then may take a bit longer to get the rythm.

    heres a little technique that works for me and a few others: try hard briefly at what your trying to do, then take a break. when you return/resume youll let muscle memory kick in.