First day with my XR and already had 2 crashes...



  • @jeffmccosker thanks for the insight as that does make sense to me. I wasn't sure if I was the one that kept pushing the nose down while the board was elevating the nose or it just got locked in a high speed, it all happened so fast. Another thing I tried earlier when I got home was turn on the board and place my hands in two shoes on the board to test out the footpad sensors, they seem to switch off periodically whenever I lift up a small part of my hands within the shoes. Is that normal or is the sensors busted(or faulty)?



  • I really appreciate all the helps, this was my first post, too bad it was about a bad experience. Once again, really appreciate it guys.



  • The footpad sensors need two points of contact, specifically the ball of your foot/toes and heel. Hopefully your foot pad sensors are not faulty, causing them to stick or connect without pressure . They are designed that if both points of contact or not engaged at slow speed, the motor will disengage. Wear flat skater type shoes like vans, cons, shell tops, or Nike SB. The more foam padding you have the more difficult it is to feel your foot on the sensor/grip tape. If you’re in an elevated type mode, it will try to lift The front up to slow you down or to clear objects. By continuing to lean into it you will force the board to accelerate. Everybody crashes when they first get on. Practice on grass like a golf course if you can. Keep your knees bent your weight centered over the wheel, And I like to keep my feet spread wider closer to about an inch or two from the edges of the board. The wider stance gives me better balance and control. Your sense of balance, and the support muscles in your feet and legs will need time to learn it and you will be very sore from normal rides. You’ll find that your feet and legs have the same soreness as if you were to hit a standup paddleboard for the first time in a long time. Once you get comfortable, there is no closer feeling to snowboarding on pavement then the Onewheel. Good luck and get some miles in!



  • Practice in your garage or on carpet, every day, rain or shine, until you can both remain still indefinitely and do continuous figure 8s. This will help train your muscle memory so your feet stay flatter on the board in turns at any speed, which helps keep the sensors happy and avoid unplanned deactivation.

    Then ride in delerium at all times. I have had the least number of falls in delerium - After 2000 miles testing it, comparing to other modes, I’m certain that it helps prevent nosedives.

    These two things have kept me free of nosedives or any falls for over a thousand miles.

    You can do this, I’m almost 40 and never mastered any board sport, now after 6 months Onewheel is as comfortable as walking.



  • Crashes suck, sorry to hear that....If you want to keep your new XR looking good and make it easier to carry, grab one of my Bone Flex handles on land-surf.com!



  • I'm getting ready to turn 44 years old, I've got 1,300 miles on my Plus and never had a noisedive. I ride max 15mph and take it easy going uphills. Modes are 95% Mission and if I'm making a grocery run I switch over to Delirium to help with the hills. 175lbs and a 20psi tire. If you feel surging you're going too fast and the board is struggling to keep balance, so slow down or noise dive.



  • Thanks for all the advice, this truly is a great community and I’m really happy to be a part of. Just a little update, today I took the XR around the neighborhood for the first time since the accident, I put it on mission mode like everyone suggested, went about a little over a mile before my feet couldn’t take it any more. I gotta say, I love this thing. And I came to a conclusion that the accident was an user error and not faulty device. To see it still has 12 miles left after 9 miles of use on the app just blows my mind. The Onewheel team did an amazing job on this thing. I’m looking forward to riding it again tomorrow. Once again thanks everyone who helped out, greatly appreciate it.



  • @hoovdini just ordered the Fangs minis from you guys. One question: are the Fangs that much better than the minis? And would the minis still be able to help with nosedive? Thanks.



  • I'm just putting in my .02 cents that the small wheels are not a great thing to put on the front of the board. Even for a beginner. Get used to the board as it is, it was designed to work well without those wheels on the nose. They're only really relevant if you're cruising at speeds that a beginner really should not. They might make it harder for you to learn to stop and they might also cause you to runaway down a hill if the board loses power, rather than skidding and going a bit slower.



  • @readysetawesome They aren't meant for high speeds. Nothing can really save you if you nosedive at high speed. They are better suited to the overacceleration-from-dead-stop (in which the board's thrust/balance capacity gets temporarily overloaded) and the careless-uphill nosedives.

    I rode 250+ miles with NO nosedives. Then I got careless and did the overacceleration-from-dead-stop one, once. 5 months later I am still trying to regain full use of my left (leading) shoulder/arm, which landed on pavement with my full 180# body weight on it. I think nosewheels might have allowed me to recover, or at least reduced the damage by elongating the board's immediate transition from "moving" to "dead stop, rider thrown", and gaining me precious reaction time.

    You bring up losing power downhill; I think you're pretty screwed in any case if you lose power in that scenario - but really, the key here is that everyone should make their own decisions based on their skill/comfort level and common riding terrain.

    Just my .02 cents.



  • I'm 45, sold my OW and bought a metal detector, it is safer an more age appropriate :-)



  • Hey @Jkenshiro - I'm 37 and had quite a bit of electric skateboard experience before picking up the Onewheel+ last year. It still took me a few weeks of cautious riding and a good handful of crashes/bails before I was able to get the hang of it. It just controls so much different from anything else. Keep at it and you will get the hang of it. As other recommended, try different modes, as the pushback/limits in some modes are definitely a bit unintuitive.



  • @glyph said in First day with my XR and already had 2 crashes...:

    @readysetawesome They aren't meant for high speeds. Nothing can really save you if you nosedive at high speed. They are better suited to the overacceleration-from-dead-stop (in which the board's thrust/balance capacity gets temporarily overloaded) and the careless-uphill nosedives.

    I rode 250+ miles with NO nosedives. Then I got careless and did the overacceleration-from-dead-stop one, once. 5 months later I am still trying to regain full use of my left (leading) shoulder/arm, which landed on pavement with my full 180# body weight on it. I think nosewheels might have allowed me to recover, or at least reduced the damage by elongating the board's immediate transition from "moving" to "dead stop, rider thrown", and gaining me precious reaction time.

    You bring up losing power downhill; I think you're pretty screwed in any case if you lose power in that scenario - but really, the key here is that everyone should make their own decisions based on their skill/comfort level and common riding terrain.

    Just my .02 cents.

    The overacceleration-from-dead-stop nosedive save by the fangs was proven to me recently. I have over 1100 miles on my +. When I first started, around 90 miles, I had a nosedive from a dead stop when I leaned heavily forward to accelerate. Quite a bit of road rash, some newbie embarrassment, and made me rethink how I ride.

    Fast forward to the present. I now ride with my back foot on the back edge and my front foot heel almost against the fender, which really helps lower my acceleration rate. Anyway, I was balancing at a crosswalk waiting for a car to go by and saw another car a bit more than half a block away and my brain said "go, you can beat that car!". Of course, my body reacted with "quick, get across!", so I leaned in more than I should have. Well, the board nosedived, but luckily for me, I have the fangs installed! The front end rolled a few inches and I leaned back a bit and headed across.

    Shout out to @hoovdini (land-surf_dot_com) for saving my skin, literally!



  • CarvePower's OneTail+ makes life a bit better by letting you set your trailing foot a little farther back :)

    Been riding with it for a few days now and it's pretty great. 0_1531949502791_IMG_3077 (1).jpg



  • @jkenshiro
    I had a very similar experience on my first day of riding about a month ago, also in Sequoia mode. I was tilting the board in an attempt to slow down and the board did not slow. I don't know at what speed pushback occurs in Sequoia mode, but the feel is not at all intuitive to me. I have never had this issue in mission or delirium mode. I recommend mission mode for new riders. And except for a little bit of experimenting and comparison, I have not used Sequoia or Cruz modes since day 2 of owning my XR.



  • @onedan - this is what I like to hear, in my mind this is exactly the sort of scenario they are meant for. I haven't had to use mine yet and hope I never do, but I think they are nearly a necessity for a city/pavement rider. They are cheap and unobtrusive and hopefully you'll never need them, but if you use them once they will pay for themselves.



  • @glyph everyone is different, for me they are not only unnecessary on pavement but they make the board less safe and harder for me to ride because they are obtrusive when cornering on steep hills and stopping on hills. They also block a non-trivial portion of the headlights which is not OK because I ride at night often.

    Experience has demonstrated to me that I can avoid nosedives just as well by simply riding within the board's limits.



  • @readysetawesome No real hills where I live. I use LumeCubes for headlights (I also ride at night), in addition to a bright headlamp, because the onboard headlights are insufficient even in toto. LumeCubes are expensive, but bright and tough as hell.

    But your central point, that everyone should determine what works best for them, is sound.

    I just don't like people talking Fangs down like they can't ever help - I think they can in certain situations (and in others, not help at all or even hurt, as you say), and this has been borne out by reports such as OneDan's here (his accident he describes, was real similar to mine), and the Fangs beta testers.

    I've only ever had one nosedive, but I am now seven months out from it and still not 100% healed (and who knows, maybe I never will be).

    You have to count not just the likelihood of a nosedive, but the potential severity of injury from one when evaluating overall risk. If I ride correctly 99% of the time that's great, but if that 1% where I make a riding error has the potential for severe (maybe lifelong!) injury, then that's STILL a high risk, and potentially worth taking additional steps to mitigate.



  • @readysetawesome So you actually tried them? You are the first fang detractor I have come across who had actual experience with them. Gives you some credibility. I ordered a pair, but I am not going to let them make me overconfident and if I ever get to the point where I can do steep hills, I will rethink it. Thanks for the feedback.



  • @readysetawesome: I totally agree with you on the Onetail+ from C&R. I'm 6 feet tall, 260 lbs and installed a Onetail+ on my XR and I love it. It also allows me to place my back foot further back and my front foot pretty close to the fender. I don't ride faster than 12mph too often, but I feel that moving my weight back on the OW, riding Delirium, and not riding like a madman decreases the chance of a nosedive. Ever since I got the Onetail+, I've been riding with a back foot stance like that of Slydog Stroh and I have way more control. Ride safe!