Dive Safe front wheels.
@eckit that’s awesome man!!! I love how you showed that they even make contact while turning. Have they come in handy yet? I. Curious as to how much a weighted, speedy contact would effect the surface of the bearings and if that would eventually effect if they rolled in their cups sometime down the road.
@tomfoolery they caught me from a nosedive once. I accelerated too fast up my driveway. Would’ve totally bit it if they weren’t there. They made a nasty grinding noise (think rocks in a tumbler)—but they did the job.
I also would’ve caught a corner at low speed once while pushing my turn radius but the bearing caught me instead and I just bounced right back up.
The bearings should be solid chrome or solid stainless steel—so they shouldn’t deform too terribly. They may scuff and even gouge if you hit them hard enough on pavement, but they should never crush or dent. If anything were to deform under stress, it would be the housing.
That said, a set of six of these ran me something like $20. So if they ever get too banged up, I’ve got a few replacements on deck.
I don’t know how they will handle high speeds, especially on rougher surfaces. I’d wager not too well. But then again, I’m not entirely sure how fangs would handle similar conditions. Those small wheels can catch a crack or seam in the pavement, too.
I don’t think there will ever be a foolproof nosedive prevention for all circumstances. But these “a-hyucks” give me a little more peace of mind than riding with naked bumpers.
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@eckit Very cool!
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@eckit I wanna call them "Hyuck Pucks". 😂
So, remember when I mentioned how the bearings wouldn’t deform, but the housing would? That happened to me today. From a standstill in NYC, I mounted the board and leaned forward to go. Not sure why, but the board never balanced out and I just teatered over to the nose. There was a lump in the asphalt as there often are in NYC and the housing hit the lump before the bearing hit the ground. This deformed the housing to the point that the bearing isn’t free-spinning.
I consider my first version of the “hyucks” a failure because of this same type of nose dive happened at speed, I would’ve been thrown.
But that just means I have to go back to the drawing board.
I’ll post when I come up with a fix.
@eckit what are the housings made of? Metal or some sort of polymer?
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@eckit - found a reddit post where a guy did something very similar to yours - he mounted to the outside, which doesn't block his lights. But his bearings look smaller too, so they might be even more susceptible to damage/deformation causing the bearing not to roll than yours are:
I have the Fangs - even though I haven't actually needed them yet, in my one bad nosedive (before Fangs existed) I believe they would have helped me either recover, or bought me precious fractions of a second to react and either run it out or tuck and roll, instead of slamming down to pavement on my shoulder and busting it.
Your idea, that the wheel should roll omnidirectionally, seems like a good one - if there was a way to incorporate it into a Fangs-like build (which are v. easy to install and fairly unobtrusive, aesthetically), that could be good.
@Glyph that is awesome!
I am currently thinking up a quick way to mount them.
Some other things that I am taking into consideration:
Position (out of the way of the lights)
Lowering the profile of the housing or changing the angle of the housing (so it doesn’t catch before the bearing does)
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@eckit - this appears to be the bearing he used - with the way he mounted them, the housing is mostly inside the OW bumper AND angled, so the housing getting hit looks fairly unlikely to me.
The two main questions are how easy would this install be for the average bear (I don't own a drill press), and will that tiny little bearing actually keep rolling, once it's gotten scuffed on concrete and gotten grit and gravel up inside the housing? We don't use these on tennis courts, we use them on streets and sidewalks and driveways, and those are rarely 100% smooth and clean.
@Glyph @eckit hey guys. I don’t think you’d need a drill press to drill the holes into the bumper but what about these bad boys.the “flying saucer” style roller bearing looks like its a lower profile so shouldn’t interfere with anything under the bumper.
@tomfoolery the bearings seem small and the housing is BIG. Also, I couldn’t find any info on the load rating. You need to make sure that the bearings and housing can take the load involved in an impact.
@eckit if you go to the link that @Glyph posted and scroll down to the section where “customers who viewed this item also viewed “ you’ll see a little box with the saucer style rollers where they do give specs. Or you can just click here
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If you wheel on a perfectly smooth flat surface all the time, those little training wheels may save you....but you're doing it wrong.
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@hilby speaks the truth! I had my first fall ever last night after 3500 miles of onewheel experience and nose wheels or casters could not have done a damn thing to help me. On the other hand, the motorcycle jacket I wear did a lot to protect me (only injury was a minor rug burn from the inside of the jacket). I focus my time and money on protecting myself rather than trying to correct the board’s perceived flaws and it paid off huge last night. I just got up, dusted off and kept on riding...
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I am now 11 months out from a broken-shoulder injury that may never fully heal, due to a nosedive on my + for the first and only time, 250 miles in. It was my fault - I was tired at the end of a long ride and not paying attention and I overaccelerated from a dead stop.
It was a dumb error.
It was an error many people have made or will make.
This did not stop me from OneWheeling - I now also have an XR, and convinced my friend to get one, and we are working on another friend.
Dive wheels, are not "training wheels". They do not (or should not) affect the quality of the ride, or learning to ride. That you should learn how to ride, and respect the board and its limits, is so basic and obvious an idea as to be useless.
Dive wheels are strictly an optional piece of safety equipment that may, in some circumstances, minimize the damage that you do when you inevitably make an error (you will!), or in those rare circumstances the board experiences a software or hardware failure, something that is statistically going to happen to some number of boards (in fact my friend is going to have to send his nearly-new board in for service - luckily it failed on him at startup, and not in motion).
Calling dive wheels "training wheels" is like calling the airbag in your car "training wheels". That's not what they are, or do.
They are strictly there to help save your ass (or minimize the damage to your ass) in unexpected events.
For those of us who ride primarily on pavement (and if you live in a city, that may be pretty much your only option), they are a "hope I never need them, but if I do I'll be glad of them" thing, and if they work even once, they will justify their inexpensive presence.
I sure wish I'd had them, instead of a shoulder that may give me trouble the rest of my life.
I'm not trying to talk anyone into getting them - if your off-road terrain or riding style means they'd do you more harm than good, don't get them!
But trying to talk people who ride different terrain or styles than you do out of getting them - or talking down to them, by calling them "training wheels" or saying they are "doing it wrong" - is not helpful either. Everyone should make the choices that make the most sense for them.
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It was my fault - I was tired at the end of a long ride and not paying attention and I overaccelerated from a dead stop.
Exactly this ... I had over 1100 miles on my board and was at an intersection, on the sidewalk, where the road slants up towards the center. Saw a car coming maybe 1/2 a block away and in an instant decided to "go for it, plenty of time". Well, I over-accelerated from that dead stop, nose went down, but the fangs caught and I rolled a couple of inches, then popped back up and crossed the intersection like nothing happened (except the scare that I was going down!). Considering my first nose dive at 90 miles was very similar, this one I came out of unscathed, unlike the serious knee and elbow rashes from the first one, even when wearing all the pads.
Say what you want, but I'll put fangs on my boards, thank you! :)
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My apologies, I didn't intend to demean those who might desire wheels up front. Different strokes for different folks..... but, from my experience, they would only provide more of a purchase to the fulcrum of the catapult, giving me a bit more height and hang time before the inevitable meeting with the earth again.... I can't think of a nosedive ( intentional or unintentional) where they would have saved me. I can think of several instances where they would have grabbed the earth and sent me flying. I guess it's all about riding style. I tap the corners of my nose all the time in low speed turns. I can't afford to lose any more ground clearance. You can purchase some very nice protective gear for the price of front wheels. Thats where I'd invest my insurance money.
Anyhow, it's all about personal preference and riding style. Mine does not allow for more wheels.
Cheers! And pad up like Evil Kenevl!
@OneDan this is exactly the reason I want fangs, for that instance where you’re going straight and maybe not even that fast. If it gives me a split second to try to regain my balance before the board re-engages then I’ll gladly take them.
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@hilby No worries - I agree that for someone who's primarily off-pavement, dive wheels would be worse than useless: they could be an actual danger-increaser, by reducing clearance and catching on things.
On my nosedive - flat concrete, not particularly fast - I believe they would have allowed me to possibly recover, or at least elongated my transition from "in motion" to "stopped" by a few feet (from "instantly stopped and flung to ground") - and THAT would have bought me some reaction time to run out or tuck and roll, as well as reduced the impact force if/when I hit ground.
Also, if anyone's interested, I made a custom shoulder pad, since your leading shoulder is a likely point of contact, and there are no pads on the market for that. A motorcycle jacket is a good solution (and in fact mine uses a motorcycle jacket armor pad), but if you live somewhere hot, a jacket is not an option.
Basically, get these:
Put the shoulder armor in the shoulder brace pocket where the icepack would go. If you can sew, sew it up. If you can't, use industrial velcro like I did. You could probably also use adhesive. It would probably stay in place anyway even if you didn't do any of these things, but the velcro option is cheap and easy and makes me feel secure that the armor won't have shifted out of position just when I need it most.
It looks like this when you are done - it's comfortable and easy to get on/off, and you can wear it under your shirt if you want.
@Glyph it’s almost like mad max status right there. 👍🏻