No gyro rider balanced

  • @bryphi77 said in No gyro rider balanced:

    @mr-vince Dude... You do realize that a turned off one wheel is nothing like a onewheel with a responsive 2 way trigger, right?

    Coming from a Future Motion representative, it was stated that the Onewheel CPU checks position 14,000 times per second to keep you balanced. ( And even at that processing speed people still manage to overtake the CPU and fall off the board.

    You telling me you can adjust your trigger finger 14,000 times per second to keep you from face planting?

  • @bryphi77 lol dude 10x easier to land on tiny rollers or casters than on a giant rubber motorcycle tire? ok, sure. Whatever you say. Lets both agree to question each other's intelligence and just leave it at that.

  • @skyman88 said in No gyro rider balanced:

    Borrow a board, buy a board or rent a board, go beat the hell out of it in its current form. Put on 200-300 miles and then come back because I think it'll completely change your perspective on what "improvements" are needed.

    THIS. DING DING DING DING. Nobody I know who seriously invests time in riding a onewheel believes it needs some list of necessary improvements.

  • @readysetawesome

    Other than concave front foodpad, water proofing, increased range and mixed requests of swappable batteries.

  • @mr-vince 100% true this needs more upvotes!

  • @mr-vince I figured I would give it a few days to let all the all the retards get their gibberish out.

    Balancing on a still onewheel is like balancing on a still bike.This would be much easier than doing it while on a bike as you are already evenly distributed over the huge wheel. The key to balancing is being able to accelerate. AS I SAID ALREADY!

    To be honest I think the people posting here are not so much worried about new improvements or a new product, seems like they worship the one they own like it is a god of some kind.

    I have ridden one of these for a about 15 hours. As some who rides motor bikes and can ride wheelies on a bike.The thing that I liked the least about Onewheel was having to rely on the gyro. To me this is a flaw in the ride... and you lose a lot of maneuverability because of it.

    Thats fine and all that none of you like the idea, but I do find it odd that you all seem morally opposed to it being tested, and prototyping it... it wold cost nothing and the time would be minimal. The worst that could happen is that they would have a new product to sell.

  • @bryphi77 said in No gyro rider balanced:

    @mr-vince I figured I would give it a few days to let all the all the retards get their gibberish out.

    I think you are saying I am not being pooled with the "retards." Well, I appreciate the sentiment, but calling people retards will not persuade others to your side. I do feel that @readysetawesome and @skyman88 and others had some valid points. I would not call them retards.

    Thats fine and all that none of you like the idea, but I do find it odd that you all seem morally opposed to it being tested, and prototyping it... it wold cost nothing and the time would be minimal. The worst that could happen is that they would have a new product to sell.

    I do want to concede that others (myself included) was a little too quick to slap down your no gyro idea. I think most of it is from real world experience. I have jumped on my OW unaware it was off and almost fell on my face.

    Something you should know is that I build prototypes as part of my day job. It's so funny how a project manager, an electrical engineer and even the company president would come up to me and give me their concept for their new product with the most abstract ideas and leave it to me to hash out the hundreds of details. What often happens is that I ask those difficult questions that bring reality to them like a slap in the face. That is what I am doing to you. You have the abstract concept "no gyro with a trigger throttle" and I am asking the harsh questions that a mechanical engineer would ask to try and make your idea a reality.

    So I ASK...

    A more responsive remote will require a lot more throw than a standard e-skateboard remote. In fact if you watch reviews on eskateboards, you will find that the biggest complaint is that the throw of the throttle is too short so the eskate lurches forward or breaks too hard throwing the rider off balance. So how much more throw and what shape will the remote be? So the remote will need to be engineered from scratch. Perhaps more like a motorcycle brake handle or clutch since you seem to like to refer to motorcycles so much. and that's just in one direction, how will this throttle handle input for forwards and backwards? How will the user know where center of the throttle is where it is neither going forward or backward? How much tension is needed to provide the user with good positive feedback and still have the responsiveness of 14,000 inputs per second? So you see, it is not as easy and small investment as you think it would be. That's just the physical throttle. Still requiring engineering would be the electronics and software for the remote to ensure there is no latency (Latency is also a big complaint with eskate remotes) and a solid wireless connection. Maybe even some low level AI to anticipate your what you are trying to do with you fingers and to eliminate possible mistakes like squeezing the throttle hard when you loose your balance. Not to mention that the board was never designed to be remotely controlled, so the firmware will need a rewrite to make that possible. I work with electrical engineers with over 30 years experience each and we design circuit boards all the time. When we prototype a circuit board it cost us $500 to have 3-5 fabricated. We usually get the design wrong or need a tweek after the proto comes in so we redesign again, and pay another 500. Some PCB go through 3 to 6 versions until we have the final form factor at $500 each version. That's not even counting the man hours. So it's not "nothing." to make something new.

    Then there is the board itself. The XR is already at the upper limits of what the hub motor can output with the battery supply it has. A "responsive throttle" will also require a motor that can output a lot more torque within milliseconds. So the hub motor would need to be re-engineered to supply that larger torque demand. The board would need to be re-balanced so that it is not tail heavy, or not so much tail heavy. That requires further engineering to move components around.

    So you see, if you really hash out the concept, even just a little bit like I have you will see that what you ask is actually a lot of rework and redesign to make possible. It would cost significantly more than "nothing." This is why managers and the engineers both love and hate me at work. I slap them with reality. Don't even get me started about when the prototype I make meets what they want and we start talking about manufacturing...

    I think part of the problem is the tone of arrogance you put out on your post. Perhaps, give a bit of humility and people would be more willing to listen to you. I have read your post history, this has been mentioned to you before.

    I will close with this

    @bryphi77 said in Few suggestions to make this better:

    That being said this is an awesome idea/product, and I will probably get one after they have been out for a bit longer.

    You posted that almost three years ago. Actually in a couple of weeks it will be three years. Since then the board has had three released iterations and many firmware updates. Some of the suggestions you made on the post above have actually been implemented or third parties provide them. So what are you waiting for????

  • @mr-vince thank you for putting our retarded words into a comprehensible response.

  • @tomfoolery said in No gyro rider balanced:

    @mr-vince thank you for putting our retarded words into a comprehensible response.

    Your welcome. I think @bryphi77 steps over the line with that "retard" remark. It's sad when a grown man resorts to name calling. I looked at his profile picture, dude has a five o'clock shadow so we are not dealing with a 10 year old boy (to the 10 year olds in here, sorry, i do not mean to offend you). I kinda expect adult to act accordingly.

    I'm just speaking my mind. I'm not trying to represent anyone other that myself. But others have made very valid points against his idea of "no gyros". My biggest issue (at least it was until he called everyone retards, that's my top issue with him now) with him is that his only argument for it is all anecdotal reasoning but no practical/realistic reasoning.

  • LOL! I do like the idea of a remote throttle override, but in conjunction with gyro stability .

    When transitioning from flat ground to steep inclines , it kinda sucks that you gotta stop and switch to elevation mode to clear the ramp.
    I could ride around in elevation mode but I dont like it.

    So why not have on the fly mode shifting or a manual throttle override with nose up.

  • @mr-vince

    Thanks for supporting physics and logic! I didn't want to throw my day job in here either but people who haven't lived through R&D may not appreciate the amount of work and money it really takes to build 1 functional prototype.

    @bryphi77 I have never been able to balance on a stationary bike for an entire red light... I don't claim to have the best balance but I have no issue doing this on a OW. I still struggle to find what you are improving with the no gyro design.

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