Nosedive on flat path. Crash #3.

  • @jlk250 is right, nosedives can still happen easily at <10mph for non-hardware-failure reasons. I nosedive every time I hit a particular dip on a small, seemingly easy, uphill section by my house. doesn't look or feel like much of a bump but it is just the right shape to overwhelm my board's torque at about 8mph. So now I avoid it and I haven't had a nosedive in 2000 miles or riding.

    If the OPs board was completely powered down after the fall then I would look into hardware issues. If not then I would guess it's another case of need to respect the board's limitations, that's what it was asking you to do when you felt that surge, that surge is exactly the warning you are asking for.

  • @flix123 said in Nosedive on flat path. Crash #3.:

    For these low speed crashes I have the feeling it might indeed be down to intermittent hardware issues of individual boards (assuming most users have upgraded to latest firmware ). At low speeds there should be plenty of power available to balance the rider, especially on the XR.

    I am one of the low speed crashes on your survey. I had 90 miles under my belt, started feeling a bit cocky. This was before all the forum advice on how to ride. I was almost home, battery close to drained, but figured I had one more lap around the park. Of course there were people around watching, so I leaned heavily into it to accelerate from a very slow speed and barely knew what hit me when I was on the ground. Fully geared, but the cheap gear I had bought slipped off my elbows and knees and I still got some road rash.

    @jlk250 said in Nosedive on flat path. Crash #3.:

    A common nose dive scenario is a rider trying to cross an intersection quickly and nose dives as a result, long before they accelerate to high speed.

    I also experienced this around 900 miles. Nosedived, but after my first 2 nosedives, the Fangs had been invented and saved my a##. :) I even put them on my new XR before I ever rode it.

    As someone said above, we have to be careful what we assume from this survey.

  • Fully understand that ND can happen at low speeds because of sudden acceleration, incline or bump in the road or a combination. But I still believe some are due to hardware issues, because: At least 4 low speed ND respondents have reported the OW was turned OFF after the ND. That alone is quite worrying, its 4 out of 72 cases (what I don't know is if all or some of these are from the same person, that would skew the stats of course).

    Another 6 low to medium speed respondents reported they were travelling constant speed (no acceleration) on level ground: also bit of a worry. So its not really true to say its always due pushing on the gas too hard or going uphill

  • @flix123 - "out of how many" is a really hard-yet-important question to answer. I've seen 3 different videos of faulty footpad sensors causing runaway boards, and heard anecdotally of two others (one of those is a friend of a friend, so I know it's valid).

    And each time, people say, "yeah, a faulty sensor is bound to happen once in a while."

    And that's true - but out of how many? What are there in the US, maybe 50,000 OWs in the wild? Honestly 10K per state seems generous.

    So if you start to hear enough stories of a particular defect, it gets worrying, because 4 or 5 isn't that many out of a million, but it's a lot more out of a hundred. And if runaway boards can be common, some bystander's gonna get hurt sooner or later, and then there'll be hell to pay.

    All of which is to say, I think what you are trying to do is valid, but there will always be some pretty important missing numbers in these equations - and Future Motion sure isn't going to provide them.

  • @Glyph I agree, we cannot know all the numbers, esp not how many are sold but I wanted to have a picture of roughly what % of ND seems unprovoked and that I have now. It makes me ride even more careful and alert which is a good thing

  • Was riding some steeper hills today and not really going too fast, maybe 10-11 mph. On one particularly steep section I felt the motor surge, and thanks to this thread, I backed off a bit and still had enough to finish climbing the hill slowly. Thanks, and keep up the stories, to help us allfrom your experiences.

  • Had a ND at about 3 mph yesterday, just jogged it off. I was crossing a street at a sidewalk and my wheel went into the area of the road that funnels water down the side, and it just happened that it was the exact dimensions as the wheel so it just sorta got stuck. 0_1547362207628_Screenshot_20190113-014946_Chrome.jpg

  • @sidjtd Hello all, first post.

    I ordered a XR after riding one for 3 hours. Before that it was 49 years since I was on one, back in the days when we only had clay wheels. I'm 64, am I the oldest here? :)

    It arrived a couple of days ago but I won't be taking it out until my ribs heal (unrelated to OW). I've just been practicing balancing in one place in our living room. Like most new owners, I've read many posts on various sites about nosedives, so I also ordered a set of Fang that haven't arrived.

    My first question is why the fangs only slow down the abrupt stop, instead of allowing the board to continue rolling. It the wheels are free rolling, why don't they keep you going along on the 3 wheels? If it unexpectedly turns off and the nose dives, wouldn't the tie rotate freely and start coasting? Why the sudden stop?

  • @sdonewheel Assuming a smooth-enough pavement (Fangs are not very large wheels, and could be defeated by a large enough crack in the pavement for example), and you staying on the board, it SHOULD keep rolling. Many riders report recovering from (some) nosedives and continued riding, if using Fangs or similar nose wheels.

    Without Fangs or similar, a nosedive will DEFINITELY be a sudden (meaning, IMMEDIATE) stop, you will be thrown off the front of the board via forward momentum, and at that point your only hope is to run or roll it out.

  • @sdonewheel also when the board is on, there is resistance in the motor. Try turning on the board and without engaging the sensors, roll it about a foot then turn it off and try it again. You’ll notice the resistance. I’m not sure but I believe in some (possibly most) nosedives there’s still that resistance there because the board doesn’t completely shut off. I have fangs too but haven’t had a nosedive due to speed. I have hit the nose going up a steep incline and rode the fangs the rest of the way up the incline until the board could level out.

  • @kd6tav Difficult to remember because I had just crashed hard, but I think I had to turn the board back on to get home.

  • @scott_pdx Hi Scott, yes, I know what a pushback feels like as I have experienced that before when trying to push the board to high speed. This time there was no pushback- all I could feel was an "elastic" surge forward and then the shutdown. I am running 4208.

  • @flix123 My crash was definitely not related to pushing too hard or going uphill. And: everyone I know here in my local community who rides a OW has crashed due to sudden shutdown. That's just simply too much of a likelihood. I am not going to stop riding and just ordered my fangs, but I am really hoping for a solution from FM very soon. Thanks!

  • it's not my fault i ate it. it really isn't. blah blah blah. yeah, it really is your fault you ate it. yeah, you don't know how to ride, yeah that was pushback and bad riding position. if the board is speeding up its because you have too much weight on the front of it. its trying to raise, you're holding it down. it speeds up because of you preventing it from doing its job and dumps you after warning you to get the weight off the front. if you sink your rear knee towards your front knee you will get the weight off the front. if you try to lean back you'll straighten your front leg keeping the board pushed down and accelerating. stop blaming fm for you not being a good rider.

  • @tomfoolery Thanks for the replies. I guess the bottom line is that the Fangs give you at least a chance to run it out (as long as the Fang wheel aren't made of clay)...

  • @tomfoolery I have the feeling the wheel does move freely after a nosedive, as I read another poster has this (kind of funny) problem: When he has a nosedive going up a particular hill and eats it, his onewheel sometimes just rolls back down the hill by itself so fast that he can't catch it.

  • @raz it's 99.9% likely that your analysis is completely accurate, which is very helpful for people to learn, but why you gotta raz him like dat?

  • @carvingUSA Yeah I've taken three HARD spills at around 18-19 mph within the first month of owning my XR and tore my hands up pretty good. Started wearing half finger guards to help slide on the pavement in the case of a nosedive, but recently purchased Fangs and am really happy with the purchase. I'm about three months and 446 miles into owning my onewheel, and havent fallen again since that first month, but knowing you have that little bit of protection/ability to slide makes a world of difference.

  • I bought my O/W used with fangs already installed, rode it 500 miles last summer, no falls and the fangs saved me twice, both times entering a steep transition onto a sidewalk. Last week I was running up to the store to get a six'er as I had just downed my last two beers. Going up a steep hill there's a transition (think 2" X 12" ditch) in the pavement I'd sort of forgotten about. I hadn't ridden in a couple months as it's winter in the northwest. The fangs did try to save me but didn't and I went down and rolled with the fall. Got an ass bruise from my wallet and hit the back of my head, but not much blood. I don't feel any dumber than usual so no brain damage. I'm 74 and can't afford that. There's 6-7 Onewheels in the neighborhood and if just ONE of them would ride with a helmet I would too.

  • @speedracer Be a trend setter! I'm 60 and last year crashed on my snowboard with no helmet. Got a minor concussion, don't recall the lift ride back up the mountain, and had to be transported down just in case. Bought a nice MIPS helmet for snowboarding which doubles for use on my OneWheel (just remove the ear warmers). I see all kinds of people with/without helmets, but the smart ones wear them! Not preaching, but I learned the hard way.

    Also a big believer in the fangs as they've saved me a couple of times as well. I have them on both my + and my XR.

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