Best aftermarket range extension methods



  • @Lia said in Best aftermarket range extension methods:

    I do wonder if FM will make a Pint with extra range or if they'll go for a new flagship to replace the XR.

    I also wonder about that. New XR is my guess. Pint is pretty great on flat land, but I live in a hilly suburban area. Quart sounds perfect but I hear there are issues with the app and firmware sometimes when swapping batteries? Any truth to that?



  • @NotSure I have heard some hardware versions can act funny with the upgrades. From what I gather certain versions have a hard cutoff if the app is connected. Once the board reaches theoretical 0% it just refuses to uses what is left.

    Not sure if all do this but Chi and the others should be able to say what your HW is capable of doing and what limitations might occur.



  • @Lia said in Best aftermarket range extension methods:

    I do wonder if FM will make a Pint with extra range or if they'll go for a new flagship to replace the XR.

    This is pretty funny, I started on a + with less range than the Pint. Quickly (1700 miles in) moved up to the XR for more range (ok AND power).

    So, I'm hoping for a new XR+ (don't care what you call it) that combines Pint and XR features, fit, and some styling, latest battery tech, and MAYBE a plug-able battery so you can go as far as you can carry batteries! :D



  • @OneDan said in Best aftermarket range extension methods:

    MAYBE a plug-able battery so you can go as far as you can carry batteries

    That would be good but FM have said they won't do swapable packs. Bit of a shame but it gives us all a challenge to do it ourselves and I can see reasons they wouldn't want to.

    @blkwalnutgrwr has a cool setup where they have no internal battery and just slot on a tool battery on to power it. Sadly I think that is mostly off limits without more mods on the newer boards that demand communication with the BMS.



  • @NotSure -- Personal preferences play a major role in what you would be happy with. With thousands of miles on ballsy tires, I reckon an XR (or a Plus) with a 5.5 Hoosier treaded tire would feel about as nimble as a Pint -- although I do not have much experience (only about ten minutes) on a Pint to really know. Having spent more money than I ever thought I might chasing power options, my current set-up is swappable EGO batteries on both my Plus and V1 with no stock battery or BMS on either board. One advantage is budgetary -- using EGO tools around home and property moves the dear EGO batteries out of entertainment. Another advantage is the nimble feel of a light and empty tail -- which surprised me, but which I really love.

    If I were you, with a Pint and the desire for more range with the least hassle, I would probably have a Quart battery installed professionally.



  • @Lia said in Best aftermarket range extension methods:

    That would be good but FM have said they won't do swapable packs.

    Perhaps someone (@Lia, lol) could come up with a 3D printable battery case with a simple connector, then mod the battery area to accept said case, then sell them aftermarket! Even if it had a couple less cells, the fact that they could be swapped in would easily make up for the slightly less range. Besides, if they use the latest battery tech, they should have higher capacity anyway.

    I think @Future-Motion is really missing out on the old razor blade sales technique. Just think of how many snap in batteries they could sell. I know I, myself, would buy 3 extras right off the bat with the next gen board along with a standalone battery charger. I realize that's more development, but what the heck have they been doing anyway since the Pint came out???



  • @OneDan I have considered it. Had a few ideas how to do it but I can never settle on BMS on the board and you swap an electronically unprotected pack or BMS in the pack but then you need one per pack (which wouldn't work for later models >:( )



  • @Lia Ah, wasn't aware the BMS was actually in the battery area. Thought it was the first thing on the other side of the connector. I've changed my tires on the OW and installed some float plates, but that's about the extent of me messing with it. Still, there could be money to be made!



  • @Lia Could you 'simply' containerize the problem with an adaptable BMS configuration? You seem like you've dealt with a few PCB's in your day.

    It's beyond my skill set for sure but if you could do it, I'd say throw it up on Indiegogo and see what happens. I'd definitely buy one if they really worked!!! I think everyone would eventually. It's an answer to like every Pint owners dream.



  • @NotSure It could be done, the biggest hurdles are doing it well and making sure the connectors are reliable. With the BMS off the battery you'll have 16xbalance wires, 8xthermistor wires and the 2x63v main power wires that need to be connected somehow. I'm sure it could be achieved though with enough thought put into reliability.

    What would make it infinitely easier is if the BMS's weren't so crucial to the OW's operation. New boards need them to turn on and the newest won't let you replace them as they're paired to the controller at factory. I wold love if FM reversed this decision, at least the pairing issue since that just bones anyone that wants 3rd party repair for floaters like me that can't afford to ship a board overseas :(

    Was recently invited to a Discord group with a few guys that work on the DIY boards contribute to building solutions. I'm currently working on an alternative front footpad but after that I might start work on a swapable pack since everyone seems to really want one. I couldn't manufacture them but as with my other stuff I'll release the designs for free and hopefully a 3rd party picks up the task to manufacture.

    Can't promise anything but I can at least try to get the ball rolling.



  • @Lia said in Best aftermarket range extension methods:

    Was recently invited to a Discord group with a few guys that work on the DIY boards contribute to building solutions.

    Yeah seems like FM may have miscalculated. Just curious but have you ever heard about floatwheel? Seems right up your alley.



  • @NotSure I did get to take a peak at the Floatwheel Discord group but it was waaaay too busy for me, got overwhelmed D:
    This other one seems like a spinoff with less members but seemingly equally capable. Lots of great stuff in those groups and very clever/talented members in both.

    Bums me out that this all has to be done under the radar from FM, I'd love to just bounce ideas off them and just work on community solutions. I get as a business it's a lost cause though and goes against their best interests monetarily so I'm not on the anti-FM band wagon I see a lot of people jump on. Just kind of want to see more engagement with us, might just be me being a bit parasocial though.



  • @Lia said in Best aftermarket range extension methods:

    Just kind of want to see more engagement with us, might just be me being a bit parasocial though.

    I just figured forums are a little old school, and they just stick to the platforms now. I never really got into Facebook, so I figured they were simply more active on Instagram or whatever. Maybe they're going out of business? Anyone know if they're healthy?



  • @NotSure Obviously they're funding all these races around the country and such, so I "think" they're healthy. But with no new product announcements for quite some time, you have to wonder.



  • @Lia, @NotSure
    re: Engagement, forums vs. platforms

    FWIW, FM sent me a survey last week asking for feedback on their website. I specially mentioned disappointment with their lack of engagement in this Community forum. I suggested it (this Community space) needed some feeding and nurturing ...

    I was glad to have received the survey! :)



  • @HorsePlay i find it encouraging that you got a survey, too. i hope they start participating more.



  • So if any of you would indulge me further, what should I know about VNR? Just got to be sure to match voltages? Are there any automatic, fool-proof connector options? Do I have to charge them separately? Can they be ultracharged? Best threads or youtube vids? Thanks in advance.



  • @NotSure -- SonnyWheels has kits and videos.



  • @blkwalnutgrwr so would this work? it's bluetooth apparently. Has it's own app lol.

    X-Range 60-Volt 5.0 mAh Battery with Bluetooth by Greenworks



  • @NotSure -- Yes, as far as I know. Again, look at sonnywheels.com, read the kit descriptions for your model, and watch the installation video.


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