FFS, @badcheese, would you please at least wear a helmet while intentionally pushing the limit, or better yet, even when you're not ballin' at breakneck/skullcrush speeds? You have no idea what I see at work. There is a very fragile eggshell protecting your brain, and if you don't take the always unexpected and unforseen impact to the face (I.e. "your crumple zone" you are fucked on so many levels. If you have parents, siblings, SOs, or most importantly, children who love you, find yourself a helmet you don't hate and just fucking wear it. Spend $150 if you have to.
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RE: Why does the board have to lock up @ max speed?
RE: Do not ride at high speed!
@Cameroni79 I haven't really noticed myself, but people have complained that the app is showing their speed as lower than before the update. Could it be you were actually going faster than you thought because of inaccurate speed reporting?
The motor only cuts out at high speed because you've exceeded it's capacity. Period. You roll through the last pushback and then the motor is going to maintain for you until it absolutely can't because that's what you're asking of it. Maybe you didn't notice you rode through pushback? When you're rolling at 20 and hear that whine you know that you are about to become 100% responsible for your uprightness. It's possible to recover like many of us have said, but there is no safe way for the machine to stop you at this point. Pushback is the motor accelerating against your lean. It can't do that when it's about to overrun.
This is a characteristic of the very nature of this type of machine. If they made a motor that was capable of 30mph we would be hearing about fatalities by now. You absolutely have to understand the physics of these things and you have to respect their limits with regard to your abilities.
I do absolutely agree that the speed leader boards need to go. They were fun for the unofficial app, they seem like a liability now for the company.
RE: Do not ride at high speed!
Also notice that nosedives have nothing to do with going a particular speed, but actually with the load on the motor. The top speed you'll be able to achieve depends os several variables, such as slope, tire pressure, rider weight, terrain, wind, rider stance, etc...
Just because you hit whatever mph under certain conditions, it does not mean that you'll be able to do it under another set of conditions.
Yes, delirium advertises it is possible to achieve 20mph. This is not a guaranty you'll be able to achieve that speed under all conditions.
Exactly this. Things like stance or distribution of weight in your pack or whether you pooped yet that day, subtle wind direction changes or variances in air pressure and humidity, exact type of surface paving material and your tire pressure; these all factor into motor load. I suppose that a very high ambient temperature would also potentially lower your top speed because of less efficient motor cooling. This thought has made me more reserved about pushing higher speeds on really hot days.
The OW+ is actually marketed as a 19mph top-speed machine. You can maybe argue that the app is part of that marketing, but you can't even see the shaping modes untill a board is connected and we didn't even know about delerium until a few days after the first boards were sent out and they finally dropped the app.
Last night I thought that maybe an audio warning would be a reasonable last failsafe, but I doubt it would work in time for most people who would ignore pushback to the point of motor failure and it would just startle and enrage advanced riders.
Jeeze, I hate to even suggest paternalistic gatekeeping, but is that what is needed? Should new owners have to reach certainl thresholds before higher speed shaping is enabled for them? Like you need 300 miles under your belt for mission and 600 for delerium? Should FM gamify their liability management, "Achievement Unlocked! -- Rider, you have ridden for 50 miles switchstance in Sequoia and now have the ability to try Cruz shaping. Congratulations!"
Maybe a mandatory online safety class with a test at the end before being given an unlock code for the app?
Perhaps new riders should be made to fly out to San Jose to undergo 8 hours of intensive physics lessons and crash training on a padded course before having their boards shipped?
Of course, these are ridiculous ideas, but you get the point.
RE: Do not ride at high speed!
@cameroni79 Delerium is good to bursts of 20+mph on the right surface, with the right grade, piloted by the right rider. You have to realize that at those speeds your margin of remaining engine capacity is razor thin and that you, the rider, are more responsible for your fore-aft balance than the combined motor, circuits, and algorithms. Because you're on the verge of exceeding the capacity of what they're capable of you have to be ready to pull back as soon as you feel the engine about to give out.
I got pretty good at this on my V1 but I don't have the protective equipment to fully speed test my +. The energy of a crash increases exponentially with velocity and I'm actually pretty happy with being able to go 17-18 mph without being constantly on the verge of eating shit.
I think it's insane all these 5 week OW+ owners (not you specifically, OP, just people I've seen on the FB group) bragging about their 22mph records. I strongly recommend anyone who wants to dance with the speed devil to be damn sure they can balance on the board in a freewheel situation for at least a couple of seconds. A balance board on a roller is probably the best training for this, but you can also just try standing on your powered down OW and balancing in the grass.
Sorry about your injuries @cameroni79 and thank you for posting. Maybe your warning will save some pain, suffering, and missed work for some other rider(s). Hope you heal up quick. How many ribs did you fracture? Chest tube out yet?
"For Non-Motorized Use Only"
So this is bound to come up for many of us eventually, but what is to be done about those who will inevitably get their panties in a bunch about using OneWheels and such on bike lanes and other trails and paths designated for non-motorized use? As you can see from the busy bodies filling up the comments section in this article it's already potentially an issue. Of course I'm biased, but to me it seems perfectly appropriate to ride a OneWheel anywhere bikes are allowed. I wouldn't ride one into a designated wilderness area where all forms of mechanized travel are banned, including mountain bikes, but I don't feel we should be relegated only to trails used by dirt bikes and four-wheelers.
To me the distinction is between motorized vehicles regulated by the US Department of Transportation (or your local equivalent) such as motorcycles, snowmobiles, and Teslas; and those regulated by the Consumer Products Safety Commission (or your local equivalent) which would include both regular and electric-assisted bicycles, Razor scooters, motorized wheelchairs (I think), and our beloved OneWheels. That's what I would argue if harassed by law enforcement.
I'm just afraid the same backlash that took all the wind out of Segway's sail doesn't ruin it for us. That makes it doubly important that we all act as good stewards by being respectful. Haters gonna hate, but we should still be careful in not giving them any reason to crack down on us.
RE: Foot cramps!
It gets better every day. Keep in mind you're training your body for a new sport if you haven't spent a lot of time skateboarding or snowboarding lately and it's going to cause you to overuse muscles you don't normally rely on so much.
I've found that spending more time on off-road terrain makes it easier to relax your feet when you switch back to pavement. It's not just about relaxing your muscles, though. Of course, the rough stuff makes your feet cramp up even more, but it also makes them stronger faster. Some of those muscles (not all of them) do need to be tense to keep the board under you, especially in rocky and uneven terrain, so take the time to let your feet and ankles build up strength and you'll find you ride more comfortably for longer on all types of surfaces. Be sure to practice riding switch as much as possible too to keep things symmetrical. This is a useful skill to master and will absolutely improve your board-handling in regular stance.
RE: "For Non-Motorized Use Only"
@thegreck I would have put on a passive-aggressive show for the fascist, furrowing the brow, and feigning backpain while picking up my heavy and awkward personal assistive mobility device, and then slowly shuffling toward the exit dragging one foot. Bonus points for moaning loudly so that other commuters notice and give her a dirty look. Let's be honest, carrying that thing is a disability all on it's own.
I'm a real asshole when it comes to douchey authority figures.
RE: Boosted Board VS OneWheel
@scalthom I get what you're saying and agree that of the powered longboards that are available (or soon to be), this seems to be the best choice. I've been enjoying the off-road capabilities of my OneWheel more and more since getting it a few weeks ago as my confidence, skill, and strength have improved. Compared to the vast majority of you guys, I live in an extremely rural area and a powered longboard would be a most impractical purchase. I have to say, though, as my riding progresses I am more and more pleased every day with my decision to purchase a OneWheel.
RE: Riding over sidewalk cracks
The way I've learned to get over these is to slow down a bit as you approach it while flexing your knees a bit. Give a bit of acceleration to get momentum when you're a couple feet away. Then right as you're about to hit it, popup with your knees to lift your body weight (staying attached to the board) while rocking your hips and torso forward to help coax the wheel over, because you're still accelerating at this point. I need quite a bit more practice with this technique, but it absolutely works.
RE: WFT I was going along and bang I was on the road ......
@Franky Agreed. You can see this happening in the extended cut of my #shredlikeagirl submission. Starting at about the 18" mark is the part where you see my front foot coming off the sensor before I blissfully crash into the riverbed sand... but seriously, such a fun day that was...
I'd have several crashes similar before then, but after watching my mistake on video a number of times, it hasn't happened since.
I'm not saying that the board won't shut down and endo-chuck your unexpected ass for, like, no reason whatsoever... because I still don't trust that it won't, but that is why I always, ALWAYS, wear a helmet when riding the thing more than 100m or so.
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RE: You get better the longer you ride...
@poopmonkey My shit-flinging friend, you are free to be deterred. That is your choice. Wait. Wait until the technology allows you to do what you think it should
You are probably young, I'm guessing teens, early twenties,. You have time. Cool shit of the fabled "cyber-age" has been within your grasp for as long as you can remember. If you take a look at the demographics thread, you will see that most of us are in our mid-thirties or older. This is THE toy that many of us have dreamed of since childhood. When I was a kid, the two things I wanted most from science and technology were a hand-held device that would tell me anything I wanted to know whenever I wanted to know it and a mo'fo'in' hoverboard. Today I have a smartphone and I have a OneWheel, and I'm pretty damn pleased with both of them thank you very much.
I do hope that incremental improvements in battery technology extend the range of the Wheel to twenty miles or more. That would be awesome. But for now, I'm happy cruising around at a leisurely pace for 90 minutes or more and I'm also happy flying along for 20 minutes on a charge very quickly if I"m trying to get somewhere. The OneWheel is still fun if it only goes 10 minutes on a charge.
You probably have more time than money and better things to spend the latter on. Wait if you think it isn't worth it. For lots of people right now, it absolutely is. You're a forum member who isn't an utter and complete troll, so you must be somewhat interested in the concept. You're welcome to wait until you can get what you think makes the purchase worthwhile. Just realize that many of us have waited long enough and are quite satisfied with what we got.