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To preface, the only thing I'm interested in is having an all terrain rideable. Most of this does not pertain to riding on the road.
Before I bought the Evolve, I kept telling myself "The Onewheel is better. The Onewheel is better". Then I bought the Evolve Carbon GTR AT... I had no idea just how right I was. I don't know how they even can call this board "All Terrain". When you look at the Onewheel, you might think that its design is mostly novelty. In fact, it is incredibly functional and negates the vast array of problems that you will encounter with an Evolve when riding offroad.
Let's start with the four wheels. Not only do these 4 wheels being smaller mean that you will feel every bump to a much higher degree but having two sets of wheel passing over the bumps means you will feel every bump twice. The ride is incredibly janky. Then you've got 2 axles which are only 4 inches off the ground and will cause drag in any grass 4 inches or higher, leading to overheating in an 80+ degree climate. Overheating can leave you stranded and walking home carrying the board. Even if the grass is only 2 or 3 inches, the Evolve has a really tough time riding in grass at all. You will experience a battery life of half or likely less than what you have become accustomed to with the Onewheel in the same conditions.
The Evolve only goes 1 direction and you have to choose between loose and tight trucks. Loose trucks offroad don't amount to the same turn radius as the Onewheel and give you even less stability. The evolve will instantly stop if you hit a branch that is too large but you can "log nudge" over a fallen tree up to about 8 inches thick with the Onewheel. The belt drive system of the Evolve doesn't self cool but the hub drive of the Onewheel purportedly sucks in cool air as you ride. Overheating comes with no warning at all, so if you walk more than a couple feet away from the board for any reason, when you get back, you will be blindsided by its refusal to re-pair the remote.
Okay, a lot of this is a non-issue on a flat surface, so maybe they'd be spot-on if they called the Evolve ST for "Single Track" rather than AT for "All Terrain". I had the Evolve GTR for 4 days, and that was 4 days I'm not going to get back. The only upside to a skateboard style rideable over the Onewheel is that it won't nosedive. Given that learning to run out of nosedives can eliminate the dangers of them, that singular upside is not worth the multitude of other problems you will encounter with an Evolve.
Now as for the Evolve's claim that you can return the board within 7 days for a full refund: It is a blatant, shameless lie. If the board has any dirt on it, you will pay an undisclosed restocking fee. Given that this is an "All Terrain" board, there's no way I could get every molecule of dirt off of it so I ended up selling it instead.
Be proud of the crazy looking invention that you are currently riding. It goes further, doesn't overheat, doesn't have a turn radius and while it requires active attention to detail/deweighting, it will actually allow you to handle more difficult terrain. It is incredibly capable albeit not as fast. You may not realize it but there are probably a dozen facets of the Onewheel that you take for granted. Consider this if you become tempted to buy an "all terrain" skateboard. Don't make the same mistake I did.

Float on good people

@grayforge The onewheel doesn't just "give up" when a nosedive occurs. It accelerates to keep you from falling forward so if you reach it's top speed... that's just the way the cookie crumbles. There's literally nothing more it can do. Nosedives will always be violent. Keep in mind a wide stance will make nosedives occur more easily so riders with wide stances have much more serious issues with nosedives than others. That's a lever effect and it's why the Onewheel has a serious danger of this and not an EUC. Sorry I said the E-word, I hope noone puked. As for earlier pushback, mission leaves a pretty wide gap, just put your feet closer together maybe or put it in delirium and don't push its limits. If you never go over 15, you'll probably never nosedive on pavement bar user error or unless you're going uphill.

Another thing I keep seeing is people asking for a speed limit. @Davidw the onewheel accelerates to keep you upright, so an actual speed limit is out of the question. Even tapering off would invite nosedives. An audible notification option would indeed be nice, maybe accompanied by snitching to the rider's parents :P At this point, you could bolt an ipod case to the fender, connect and lock the ipod >.>

It's a tire, tail light and an ankle all located closer together than any dog has ever before seen. Dog logic clearly dictates that it is time to attack! This is why I own multiple bottles of mace and always ride with a full bottle in my right pocket(regular stance). I use a kitcken scale to determine how many shots are left in a bottle so I always have enough. I live in the country, in the south, so there are literally dozens of dogs loose on my road and every road in range. When a dog comes at me I just stop and wait and spray it in the face hard. Sorry doggies, but I like my legs. They do seem to learn this way and hopefully this makes them safer in the future. Won't help if it's already on you but if you see it coming you can stop it this way.

@DoubleDown First, to the statement "the motor locked up": this is a common misinterpretation of the OW giving 100% but being asked more than 100% which allows (not causes) the board to tilt forward. Bar some severe defect that would occur at any speed, the board does not "lock" under stress. Bonks are a function of this. By putting the board under stress then deweighting, the motor continues to give 100%, springing the board upward along side the effects of bounce. Without the deweight a bonk would be a nosedive. Seeing as you were using a high level of acceleration at said speed you should have nosedived so I'll just operate under the assumption of a typical nosedive. Why is simply a function of acceleration. As glyph said, use gentle acceleration (and of course don't hit any bumps, go uphill into the wind etc).

Have you ever asked yourself how pushback works? Think about how the OW keeps your nose up under normal circumstances. It is simply an effect of acceleration. As the board accelerates and moves faster than your body, two things happen. A: Your position in relation to the OW changes and re-centers you. B: The force applied by the motor to roll the tire forward has an equal and opposite reaction on the board, which forces it to twist in the opposite direction, lifting the nose and pulling the tail down. When pushback occurs, generous leeway must be present in the board's capacity to accelerate. If it is not, the board will slam on the gas (in addition to you already slamming on the gas) and actually take part in causing the nosedive itself. Also, your acceleration can mask the pushback and cause it to become weakened or unnoticeable. Pushback cannot assist in acceleration based nosedives, those that are caused by the environment or battery. It will only help if your speed is the ONLY problem.

The auditory warning may not work as well for the OW as many may believe. The idea sounds great if we relate the OW to the EUC. The EUC has much more leeway than we do. Because it does not suffer from the lever effect, the battery doesn't become noticeably weakened as quickly nor does it nosedive as easily. The auditory alarm could be set to 15 mph in an attempt to precede nosedives and even then, it wouldn't always. We are always much closer to the limit on a OW than we think we are. The beep would have to occur much earlier and more often than that of an EUC (the frequency of which would have to parallel the difference in nosedive frequency between the OW and EUC, which is massive), would become a nuisance, and would likely cost FM money. I used to think that would be a good idea but let's be honest, the air around the OW would sour as this machine becomes associated, not only with nosedives, but also with constant, nonstop beeping.

If software were written to turn the board completely off, 99.9% of us would nosedive 100% of the time when said limits were reached, causing more nosedives than are already happening. Offroad rides would become virtually impossible, killing at every bump. Bonks will become a thing of the past, throwing us off instead of launching us into the air. The board continues to give 100% till the last moment because that is the best chance of survival for the VAST majority of us.

Yes, FM's massive ad campaign has probably given many new riders the wrong impression about this board. If you want speed, you still want an electric skateboard. They have done a top notch job designing this rideable and there's not much more they can do at this point. The OW is king of 180s, 360s, bonks, drops, burnouts and pretty damn solid for carving. Going over 15 mph is still "sniping with a shotgun". If you want to snipe, the tool you will need is a sniper rifle, not this shotgun.

It pretty much has to be a deadman key. If you just attach a snowboard leash to it, your face will run into some problems, as it won't be long enough to run or roll out of a nosedive. Maybe FM can build an optional RFID keyfob for the next model, to use as a deadman key and a key in general. A thought for future versions maybe?

They're all sensors, they can all fail :/ Let's say FM puts in a deadman key and it gets caught on brush, someone nosedives and sues. Or RFID they get off and it doesn't shut off... I'm guessing the legal safe route is to just fix the footpad >.> Are all these runaway boards XRs? That's what it seems like.

There's a test you can do on your sensors if you want to ensure they are working properly. While the onewheel is on but you are off of it: Turn the LEDs on via the app and lightly touch each sensor to see if it brightens the LEDs. It should. Then leave your onewheel on till it shuts off to make sure it doesn't get brighter on its own. If you are paranoid about runaways, do this test often.

@alvises I'd love to ride an Evolve GTX offroad. There's a whole list of things a Onewheel can do that an Evolve can't though. This is addictive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtPE1ZG6glU&t=4s. I imagine the Evolve is great for trail rides but to me the OW is king :)

I have seen a few videos where an Evolve rider gets launched off the board(same outcome as a nosedive) after the tire hits something. They may be less frequent but for me that may be a bad thing as it can cause me to become overconfident.

The Onewheel has to be able to keep up with you in order to balance you on one wheel. A very common speed limit you will hear riders abiding by is 15 mph(slower if off-road or going uphill/upwind). Beyond this is an exponentially increased risk of nosedive combined with losing the capacity to run out of a nosedive. The Onewheel is a slower version of an electric skateboard with vastly superior mobility. If you are not doing 180s, 360s, climbing ledges, bonks, burnouts, etc, you will be better off on an electric skateboard. Pushing the speed of a OW is kind of like racing a big rig in formula one. That being said, 21 >.< (because f#%! it)

I'm using hw 4206 fw 4117. Signal is noticable lower than that of a + but perhaps due to my phone case I don't suffer much interference. I'm using the S-view flip cover for an S7 which is open on all sides. If I had a thicker case, was taller or maybe some other circumstance it may not connect in my pocket. It disconnects unless I'm right over the board, which makes me wonder... Not sure where the bluetooth is on a Onewheel. If it's in the middle of the board somewhere, a fender might cause issues as well. I don't use a fender, they make the OW look like a toy and sound like one too, bleh.

The XR does boast a bit more power. That's very important for safety reasons given how this rideable keeps itself up. The + is slightly lighter and thinner. The difference is small on both accounts but for the purpose of doing certain tricks, I've found it slightly better than the XR. Even "slightly" can make massive differences in certain situations. I'm sure most of us realize it but some don't; there are two different types of flatland 180s. The + will allow you to enter the easier one at a lower speed because it is thinner and your float plate will be further from the ground. It was slightly aggravating making the transition to the XR on that front but you get used to it. As for the harder 180, the board is 2 pounds lighter if memory serves. The difference there is barely noticeable. Due to the fact that it is thinner, you will also be able to climb certain features more easily and you will be able to get your nose over slightly taller objects. Also, the + seems to be able to purposefully drag tail a little better.

If, and I can only imagine if, you were going to only use it for short range/tricks only, I'd definitely have to say the plus over XR, in my opinion. Alot of that has to do with the specific tricks that I do personally. Even then, in my eyes, none of that really compares to not having to worry about range anymore. If you have both, don't gut one. Enjoy riding both for their strong points.

@freshbread FM didn't realize they built a fishing tool

@Khayman I had your problem once. I thought the board had gotten on and off mixed up somehow so my idea was to leave my board on till inactivity turned it off. That seems to have fixed it. Maybe yours will resolve on its own hopefully.

@WheeledOne It puts more leverage on the motor. That's all I can tell you. Hang 10 and try to turn backside, hang heel and try to frontside, that's leverage or rather lack thereof. If leverage isn't as obvious as the air we breathe, try a wide stance on janky terrain then pull your font foot in towards the tire and notice how invincible you become. Or try holding your Onewheel close to your body then further away. Which feels heavier. I'm not trying to knock wide stances but this is a reality. For every bump you hit, your weight will be on the front pad. The weight the motor will feel is increased with how far forward your front foot is. Gratz on your deweight ability. Not everyone is that good. I also use a wide stance(a lot of the time) as it gives me more torque for spins but if someone is having trouble with nosedives, one of the first things to look at is stance.

@sdaiberl The Onewheel is not entirely safe, period. Of course there is no way for the manufacturer to make the OW "gradually decrease in speed". It uses speed to hold you up so you'd nosedive if it tried. Audible signal would be useless for this particular application as well, as whatever environmental cue knocked you over was instant. Also, it is not "shutting down". It is giving 100% but you are asking more than 100% (the OW suffers from the lever effect so don't make it feel bad by calling it weak >.>). There is so much to say on that topic such as, wide stance means more nosedives, decel uphills, etc. Most will be common sense. If you are going 15+ mph on a OW regularly you are "sniping with a shotgun". The OW is king of ~10 mph carves, 180s, 360s, bonks, drops, and burnouts. E-skate is king of 15+ mph. Unfortunately, you are on the wrong board for this activity to be safe. You will need to either accept the risk (which is physics, not manufacturer related) alongside practicing mitigation and restraint or switch to an Evolve all terrain eskate. Also, 15 mph on a surface that isn't rock solid like dirt or grass can be the equivalent of full speed on pavement, in that not enough power remains to pick up your slack when you hit a bump. If you are offroading at this speed you will begin to notice nosedives for very minute and seemingly nonexistent reasons. You may even nosedive when the dirt transitions from packed to loose. You get the idea, be careful.

No matter how way they work it, the OW will always nosedive when speed or acceleration is pushed to the limit (nature of an inverted pendulum) and when electronics failures occur. No electronic equipment on the planet has a 100% track record making the OW a little sketchy right out the gate. (I'm not picking on you dear OW. I <3 you.) If you want to offroad the OW, you will want to know how fast you can run off a nosedive. Finding this out is as easy as hitting a pothole to create a nosedive. I recommend doing this daily so that you will slowly increase your skill in doing so and therefore increase the speed at which you can run one out. This will mean safer riding at higher speeds. I apologize about hitting so many of your preconceptions in one go. I am not aiming to offend but rather inform. This is a serious issue that requires a complete grasp of concept (unfortunately, there's still a lot I didn't say here). Good luck and I hope you can find the OW wheelhouse in a way that suits your style. Cheers.