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To preface, the only thing I'm interested in is having an all terrain rideable. Most of this does not pertain to riding on the road.
Before I bought the Evolve, I kept telling myself "The Onewheel is better. The Onewheel is better". Then I bought the Evolve Carbon GTR AT... I had no idea just how right I was. I don't know how they even can call this board "All Terrain". When you look at the Onewheel, you might think that its design is mostly novelty. In fact, it is incredibly functional and negates the vast array of problems that you will encounter with an Evolve when riding offroad.
Let's start with the four wheels. Not only do these 4 wheels being smaller mean that you will feel every bump to a much higher degree but having two sets of wheel passing over the bumps means you will feel every bump twice. The ride is incredibly janky. Then you've got 2 axles which are only 4 inches off the ground and will cause drag in any grass 4 inches or higher, leading to overheating in an 80+ degree climate. Overheating can leave you stranded and walking home carrying the board. Even if the grass is only 2 or 3 inches, the Evolve has a really tough time riding in grass at all. You will experience a battery life of half or likely less than what you have become accustomed to with the Onewheel in the same conditions.
The Evolve only goes 1 direction and you have to choose between loose and tight trucks. Loose trucks offroad don't amount to the same turn radius as the Onewheel and give you even less stability. The evolve will instantly stop if you hit a branch that is too large but you can "log nudge" over a fallen tree up to about 8 inches thick with the Onewheel. The belt drive system of the Evolve doesn't self cool but the hub drive of the Onewheel purportedly sucks in cool air as you ride. Overheating comes with no warning at all, so if you walk more than a couple feet away from the board for any reason, when you get back, you will be blindsided by its refusal to re-pair the remote.
Okay, a lot of this is a non-issue on a flat surface, so maybe they'd be spot-on if they called the Evolve ST for "Single Track" rather than AT for "All Terrain". I had the Evolve GTR for 4 days, and that was 4 days I'm not going to get back. The only upside to a skateboard style rideable over the Onewheel is that it won't nosedive. Given that learning to run out of nosedives can eliminate the dangers of them, that singular upside is not worth the multitude of other problems you will encounter with an Evolve.
Now as for the Evolve's claim that you can return the board within 7 days for a full refund: It is a blatant, shameless lie. If the board has any dirt on it, you will pay an undisclosed restocking fee. Given that this is an "All Terrain" board, there's no way I could get every molecule of dirt off of it so I ended up selling it instead.
Be proud of the crazy looking invention that you are currently riding. It goes further, doesn't overheat, doesn't have a turn radius and while it requires active attention to detail/deweighting, it will actually allow you to handle more difficult terrain. It is incredibly capable albeit not as fast. You may not realize it but there are probably a dozen facets of the Onewheel that you take for granted. Consider this if you become tempted to buy an "all terrain" skateboard. Don't make the same mistake I did.

Float on good people

@DoubleDown First, to the statement "the motor locked up": this is a common misinterpretation of the OW giving 100% but being asked more than 100% which allows (not causes) the board to tilt forward. Bar some severe defect that would occur at any speed, the board does not "lock" under stress. Bonks are a function of this. By putting the board under stress then deweighting, the motor continues to give 100%, springing the board upward along side the effects of bounce. Without the deweight a bonk would be a nosedive. Seeing as you were using a high level of acceleration at said speed you should have nosedived so I'll just operate under the assumption of a typical nosedive. Why is simply a function of acceleration. As glyph said, use gentle acceleration (and of course don't hit any bumps, go uphill into the wind etc).

Have you ever asked yourself how pushback works? Think about how the OW keeps your nose up under normal circumstances. It is simply an effect of acceleration. As the board accelerates and moves faster than your body, two things happen. A: Your position in relation to the OW changes and re-centers you. B: The force applied by the motor to roll the tire forward has an equal and opposite reaction on the board, which forces it to twist in the opposite direction, lifting the nose and pulling the tail down. When pushback occurs, generous leeway must be present in the board's capacity to accelerate. If it is not, the board will slam on the gas (in addition to you already slamming on the gas) and actually take part in causing the nosedive itself. Also, your acceleration can mask the pushback and cause it to become weakened or unnoticeable. Pushback cannot assist in acceleration based nosedives, those that are caused by the environment or battery. It will only help if your speed is the ONLY problem.

The auditory warning may not work as well for the OW as many may believe. The idea sounds great if we relate the OW to the EUC. The EUC has much more leeway than we do. Because it does not suffer from the lever effect, the battery doesn't become noticeably weakened as quickly nor does it nosedive as easily. The auditory alarm could be set to 15 mph in an attempt to precede nosedives and even then, it wouldn't always. We are always much closer to the limit on a OW than we think we are. The beep would have to occur much earlier and more often than that of an EUC (the frequency of which would have to parallel the difference in nosedive frequency between the OW and EUC, which is massive), would become a nuisance, and would likely cost FM money. I used to think that would be a good idea but let's be honest, the air around the OW would sour as this machine becomes associated, not only with nosedives, but also with constant, nonstop beeping.

If software were written to turn the board completely off, 99.9% of us would nosedive 100% of the time when said limits were reached, causing more nosedives than are already happening. Offroad rides would become virtually impossible, killing at every bump. Bonks will become a thing of the past, throwing us off instead of launching us into the air. The board continues to give 100% till the last moment because that is the best chance of survival for the VAST majority of us.

Yes, FM's massive ad campaign has probably given many new riders the wrong impression about this board. If you want speed, you still want an electric skateboard. They have done a top notch job designing this rideable and there's not much more they can do at this point. The OW is king of 180s, 360s, bonks, drops, burnouts and pretty damn solid for carving. Going over 15 mph is still "sniping with a shotgun". If you want to snipe, the tool you will need is a sniper rifle, not this shotgun.

@Wings26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgiyjj7c9Bo&t=383s Here's a video of the braille team playing with a V2 or V3 which is noticeably more powerful than a V1. This video may give you a little insight into the limits of riding up a hill as they push its limits up a ramp several times in this video. Grass will slow you down further so you may have some problems. For reference, think about how much additional effort it takes to push a wheelbarrow on grass rather than concrete. Also, grass can cut your range in half. If the V1 is rated for 5-7 miles, you can expect 2-3 minus battery degradation in grass.

Additionally, the golf bag may get in the way of run off counter rotation. Normally we ride with our forward arm backside and our rear arm frontside as well as our shoulders rotated towards the front of the board. This allows us to slap our rear shoulder with our forward hand, swing our rear arm backside and counter rotate with our shoulders in order to align our body to a running position in the event of a nosedive. Loose items that do not rotate with our upper body siphon some of this force. A backpack that is tight and secure isn't too bad, but if there's any give in your golf bag, some of that force will be transferred to the bag rather than to your lower body. You may no longer be able to counter rotate and runoff at 12+ mph but may be limited to somewhere around 8 mph under such conditions. If you ride 8+ mph, you may find yourself face-planting on most of your nosedives.

Wow, I realize all that is a downer. I'm sorry about that. Hopefully it gives you something to think about though :) And hopefully, my wording is more bleak than reality. Good luck with your purchase. I hope you buy one anyways. Cheers.

@TheOmegaMan Yeah, sorry that's what I was referring to. Nice setup though it still scares me. Maybe it's not the concept that is sketchy but it's this particular dog lol

@TheOmegaMan 4 times 3 is 12 so it's still in the estimated range. As someone who often times doesn't go anywhere and just sits around doing 180s and 360s, my battery can sometimes only handle 4-5 miles. Based on that, I'd say constant stop and go increases battery consumption dramatically. Kind of like a car, we have city and highway mileage. Is it possible you stop a lot? On top of that, a wide foot stance will suck down a bit more juice, as will "slightly fluffy" >.> If you're offroad for any part of that, it will also take out a chunk but based on your distance I'd guess, no? All in all, you may be getting about the right distance.

I don't think going down to zero will affect the battery meter. I believe it's just a simple function for distance and battery drained. My rides range from straight ride to just tricks and it always seems to respond accordingly without a drain. Unfortunately, the Onewheel will suck down juice faster than an EUC or eskate, due to its design. How do you get your dog to not yank you off the board? o.O I've thought about doing that but I think I'd get pulled off.

@bobmatnyc If the Onewheel is balancing through this process, it is not disengaged, your sensor pad has failed to tell the board to shut off. When this happens the board will slowly accelerate as it attempts to balance. If this is the case and I am not misunderstanding, get your camera ready and do some jump offs at over .5 mph (this is the single pad cutoff speed) in a safe location. Eventually, if the sensor pad is defective you should be able to catch the run off on film. Film it running away so FM can't argue and send it in to be fixed.

@sdaiberl The Onewheel is not entirely safe, period. Of course there is no way for the manufacturer to make the OW "gradually decrease in speed". It uses speed to hold you up so you'd nosedive if it tried. Audible signal would be useless for this particular application as well, as whatever environmental cue knocked you over was instant. Also, it is not "shutting down". It is giving 100% but you are asking more than 100% (the OW suffers from the lever effect so don't make it feel bad by calling it weak >.>). There is so much to say on that topic such as, wide stance means more nosedives, decel uphills, etc. Most will be common sense. If you are going 15+ mph on a OW regularly you are "sniping with a shotgun". The OW is king of ~10 mph carves, 180s, 360s, bonks, drops, and burnouts. E-skate is king of 15+ mph. Unfortunately, you are on the wrong board for this activity to be safe. You will need to either accept the risk (which is physics, not manufacturer related) alongside practicing mitigation and restraint or switch to an Evolve all terrain eskate. Also, 15 mph on a surface that isn't rock solid like dirt or grass can be the equivalent of full speed on pavement, in that not enough power remains to pick up your slack when you hit a bump. If you are offroading at this speed you will begin to notice nosedives for very minute and seemingly nonexistent reasons. You may even nosedive when the dirt transitions from packed to loose. You get the idea, be careful.

No matter how way they work it, the OW will always nosedive when speed or acceleration is pushed to the limit (nature of an inverted pendulum) and when electronics failures occur. No electronic equipment on the planet has a 100% track record making the OW a little sketchy right out the gate. (I'm not picking on you dear OW. I <3 you.) If you want to offroad the OW, you will want to know how fast you can run off a nosedive. Finding this out is as easy as hitting a pothole to create a nosedive. I recommend doing this daily so that you will slowly increase your skill in doing so and therefore increase the speed at which you can run one out. This will mean safer riding at higher speeds. I apologize about hitting so many of your preconceptions in one go. I am not aiming to offend but rather inform. This is a serious issue that requires a complete grasp of concept (unfortunately, there's still a lot I didn't say here). Good luck and I hope you can find the OW wheelhouse in a way that suits your style. Cheers.

"To do a dull thing with style is preferable to doing a dangerous thing without it." - Charles Bukowski

The day streak is a little broken. Sorry this post is so long >.>

I fell off this leaderboard months ago for seemingly no reason. I was somewhat sure it was FM's fault so when I started again and I began keeping screenshots. One day recently, I fell off the list yet again. I checked my screenshots which all have file system attributes attached to them to show when they were taken. For a moment I thought my odometer had quit on me. Nope, that's because there are multiple on the same day. I contacted FM and was told how this daystreak is tracked:

The server just sees your odometer. Period. So if and when their server goes offline, your app plays no role in re transmitting the next day. If their power goes out, DDoS, someone pees on the stack or ANY circumstance to prevent them from receiving your odometer reading, there is absolutely NO failsafe. If you were thinking they'd have a couple extra layers to prevent a problem on their end from ruining your streak, you were wrong. But doesn't the app track and resend today's miles tomorrow?... Nope. Those miles will make it to the server but your app won't tell the server they were from yesterday.

I'm willing to bet half those who fall off this leaderboard, fall off in error. I mostly do tricks, so my mileage isn't as impressive as those of you who ride in a straight line, but these are my screenshots and attributes going back far enough to show a problem. https://youtu.be/QdETEid96g4

Does anyone have this issue that doesn't a fender kit? Mine is on the verge but stable without one. Also, has anyone tried taking off the fender kit to see if it changes anything.