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I’m really interested in this too. I’ve found that my + seems to get an unstable amount of current when the battery is lower. I believe it’s relating to voltage sag, but when the board hits a certain load the amps just absolutely spikes/surges. I didn’t think the + battery could sustain enough power/load to the motor. When I heard they changed batteries, I was thinking lipo because it would be able to supply way more power quicker. I was surprised to see they went for these NMC cells

@braswell said in Introducing Onewheel+ XR:

Out of curiosity... Do the people asking if you can upgrade the plus to the XR battery, ask Toyota/Honda etc if they can replace their motor in their 2017 when the 2018 model comes out? Do you ask Apple if you can upgrade your 7 for the 7s camera? It's a new product...You buy new products all the time, stop asking for unrealistic questions that don't help their business thrive. If you want the upgrade, sell your used product and spend the difference. By selling your older product you help spread the stoke to other buyers who might not be able to afford retail prices... this is how every product works! Businesses would never thrive if you can keep your first purchase for 5 years rather than feel the need for an upgrade. For those who bought the plus recently, its still awesome and hasn't lost any value... its a beast, and now the XR is a beast with extended range. Decide if you want the new or not. -endrant

Your post is like comparing apples to oranges. The battery in the onewheel is a modular unit... This box is designed in a way it can be removed and replaced. Car motors/iphone cameras aren’t modular.

I think this is a totally fair question because, look- we spent over 1,500 dollars on a board. When a better battery comes out, it’s fair to ask to upgrade your modular battery. Many people totally need the extra range; however, don’t have the money to drop on a brand new board.

I understand your point, but some people don’t want to live in a disposable world. If you can upgrade, do it. Keep the board instead of just getting a new one

EDIT: Some people also believe their OW+ battery actually isn’t adequate for the increased power of the new board. Especially heavier riders. If onewheel wants to keep a fan base, they owe it to their riders

Like the title, This is about my V1. I always look at the app, and the speedometer always said 13MPH when i started to feel pushback. I then got a + and realized the speeds felt different.

I ran around on the V1 with the OW app open and a garmin GPS, and i found that 13MPH on the OW app was actually 11.5 MPH according to the GPS.

Does pushback measure off speed, because i believe 11.5MPH is a little early to already be hitting pushback, no?

@ventoriffic said in Introducing Onewheel+ XR:

@shaka-wheeler "current plus battery can’t necessarily ‘keep up’ with the draw of the motor" Was always interested in Onewheel and almost pulled the trigger, then my friend let me borrow his + for a few days and I started to have second thoughts, mostly range concerned. Have you noticed the board riding differently when the battery is 20% or lower? What is it about the V1 do you prefer more? I'm very close to pulling that trigger again now that the XR is a thing with promise that it has more torque (helpful for that 230lb I'm carrying around, haha.)

I’d recomend going for the XR over the +. My 210 pound friend has ridden both, and the V1 really doesn’t have enough juice for him. The + does, but as the battery goes down, he noticed surging.

I believe that this is because of the voltage sag. If the XR battery is bigger, this might not happen.

As for why i like the V1, it’s much less refined. This makes the riding experience much more fun and connected. Certainly less juice though

What’s the charge time on this new battery?

I feel as if the current plus battery can’t neccicarily ‘keep up’ with the draw of the motor, so this new battery should offer a more stable current when putting a high load on the batteries - meaning there’s a good chance nose diving or surging most likely will be reduced.

I noticed when looking at pictures, it looked like there was more plastic on the bottom of the rails at both sides. Is this added protection plates, or is this to accommodate a larger battery/controller.

I currently run my board with float plates. If this new board actually sticks out more at the bottom, there wouldn’t be enough clearance to instal the protective plates on the bottom.

I have a V1 and a Plus. I love my V1 much more, and im really bummed they’ve stopped selling it

@thegreck said in Nosediving +:

@groovyruvy If you check out 00:14 on Jeff's video https://youtu.be/Jtzp0zGtyqs, you'll see the wheel definitely spins out when it loses contact with the ground. The difference is the amount of torque the motor has in the V1 vs the plus.

On the plus, it's powerful enough to shoot out from under you unless you compensate for it, whereas on the V1, just your body weight creates enough drag that it's easy to control.

@groovyruvy said in Nosediving +:

@shaka-wheeler feeling your frustration. One thing I noticed is how the Original and + perform differently during wheelslip / when the tire loses contact with the ground. On the Original the motor doesn't rev up, so when you land it's playing catch-up, which is why the nose dips and you need to lean back to be ready to compensate for that. On the + it's different. As soon as the wheel loses contact with the ground the motor revs up big time, in anticipation of the landing. Took me a while to adjust but instead of leaning back like I do on the Original to get ready for the nose to drop, I actually lean forward / put pressure on the front footpad, and that keeps the tail from dropping when the tire reconnects with the ground. 2 different boards, and they handle completely differently. If you haven't yet tried this could you, and let me know how it goes?

Thanks for that. I will setup a grass test. I wish they enhanced the riding experience rather than try and change it. It's unfortunate but i guess that's how it's going to be. Hopefully the company still tries to keep the boards changing, or get a variety. Kind of scary that the board is of the same asthetic (minus footpads) 3 years later after their first product.

@Byromie said in + Too Dangerous To Ride:

I'm new to onewheeling and the forums. I've lurked around for a year or so but only recently made comments after finally riding and getting my own onewheel.

I put about 70 miles on a friend's V1 before I finally got my V2. Granted I've only gone 15 miles or so on my + I've only had good experiences. I took it up a hill that the V1 would have crawled up, so I was happy to confirm improved climbing ability. I'm just getting comfortable with deeper carves since the + requires a little different lean to turn and carve... Maybe due to the elevated and angled foot pads? Anyway, my last ride I used the last 15% of battery to see how well I could maintain some speed while carving riding regular and switch. Last I did this exercise on the V1 I nosedived out of the blue. On the + I had no nose dive.

Maybe I'm lucky so far, but I'm alarmed and worried about a seeming increase of negative thoughts and experiences with the plus. I wrestled really hard with whether to buy the V1 or the V2. I shelled out the extra coin for the + to eliminate curiosities and regret, thinking I would always be wondering what I was missing out on had I upgraded. I live in the middle of nowhere, so testing even the V1 was a rare opportunity.

I'm no trick Master. I Just plan to carve and ride off road often, so maybe for my purposes the + will serve me well. I need more time on it to tell for sure. Hoping I don't start wishing I had got the original one wheel.
Wishing all those with + difficulties the best

@groovyruvy said in + Too Dangerous To Ride:

@simtech for me I keep my weight over / more pressure on the nose a lot more on the + than the original when going over bumps or doing drops. Feels counter intuitive coming off the original and initially requires a leap of faith, but once you see that the extra torque from the plus gives you the ability to ride it out, it feels more natural.

@simtech said in + Too Dangerous To Ride:

I've been off curbs and thankfully haven't experienced that yet. How do you take the drop..passively or do you push the board down when you drop? I push it down like sticking a landing on a snowboard and it seems to be working okay for now.

@keeevin said in + Too Dangerous To Ride:

I've never had a V1, but I can say I definitely have almost fallen backwards multiple times dropping off curbs, as it really does seem to accelerate upon landing.

@jeffmccosker said in + Too Dangerous To Ride:

@shaka-wheeler yeah that's normal for the plus. Once you get used to it, it isn't that bad, but it's kinda a bummer. You can still for sure land drops on it, you just ha e to be aware of the tire acceleration.

Thanks for the input. Here is my conclusion. When i learned to jump off curbs, my natural instinct was to lean forward. I kept stuffing the nose until i trained myself to jump off level.

Onewheel must have noticed this issue, so they 'programmed' the board to accelerate when you jump. Maybe this is so you can drive off a curb with the nose down, and not stuff it. The problem is, us experienced onewheelers take a big jumb, unaware of the change- and hurt ourselves.

Maybe onewheel might release something good with that new extreme + mode, although maybe not.

My problem is i have no idea how to control this new board, and it's seriously thrown me a few times

I believe the frustration is this-
The onewheel is a 'skill oriented' product, so clearly there isn't a basic throttle and brake. The issue is, this is optimum to claim there is rider error.

For example, i've ridden my V1 for 1800 miles. I hop on the +, drop off a height of just 2 bricks, and the board goes into full acceleration and shoots out from under me.

After doing multiple foot drops on the V1, i'd imagine i can pop down a tiny height of a few bricks. I took videos, and reached out. I was heartbroken to hear them try to tell me how to proverly ride a onewheel.

I reached out for further diagnosis; and they claimed it was my footpads. Unfortunately, even if the footpads were stuck on, the board would break when the tail is touching the ground. In my case, the board accelerated.

I think their customer service is a very delicate subject. My V1 board was back 2 times because the battery wasn't reading the right percent. It would die at like 35%, but even after 2 times it still does - they didn't fix it.

The problem i see is, now what? What do riders like me do? False diagnosis. I don't want footpads, i want to be able to safely go down slight drops like my V1. I am at a loss to figure out what the next step is.

@fruitygreen I think your view on advancing is right on. Onewheel seriously needs to diversify the product for a more unique riding experience. I believe tires, rails, and materials could all be adjusted.
I am also positive they can use better motors. I have a lot of experience with motors, and the onewheel is certainly not one of the most efficient motors around - not even close (and i'm also talking about the +).
The onewheel would also be more efficient if they designed proper dispersion. The sucker runs hot, very hot. That hammers the efficiency of the board.
They could allow more riding modes, and more adjustability. More footpads to personalize your stance.
Running carbon rails is a very possible option, and different rail styles could be used for weight and other things.
I think onewheel has TONS of room to expand; however, i don't really think things are going too well for them. You gotta prioritize customer service to get a fan base, and that part isn't neccicarily working out too well

@fruitygreen I understand your 'fad' perspective, but there is one difference. The onewheel requires plenty of skill to ride.
Why has the longboard stuck around? It's a skill oriented sport. Lots of reasons but that's a big one.
I perform many jumps and tricks on my onewheel which a longboard isn't capable of. I believe with enough work it can be lighter and easier to carry.
The onewheel concept is a lot different than the hoverboard concept. If onewheel gets on their feet (like their competition boosted), then they can really push their product further.
If anyone has done 1800 miles on a hoverboard let me know, but i don't see myself loosing interest in my board as it is a way to improve skill